Scale - a bit wonky

[AusDig]

What is the deal with scale in some of these new units. Have a look at these 4 and see if you can spot the obvious problems..... :)

[Lynx7725]

The 88mm was a big gun. (hey, your barrel looks to be the correct length!) The infantry next to it makes it look about correct (from recollection of my 1/35 88mm).

the LCI/ Higgins, looks ok.. it wasn't a big boat anyway. The Tiger, looks correct but a bit on the small side, but tanks are smaller than we expect most of the time.

What's the itsy-bitsy one?

EDIT: Hmm, now that I look at it, the gallery might have photo-chopped the barrel off the 88mm. That bodes well.

[Sean-Khan]

LOL, is that the italian tank? Is it radio controlled? Driver better look left and right so he doesn't get run over :D

[Xzuatl]

I think the itsy-bitsy is the ammo crate for the 88. :D

[Sturmgrenadier]

I think the itsy-bitsy is the ammo crate for the 88. :D
ROFL! :D Good one :)

[Skorpiun]

The Higgins is extremely hudge for the maps we all play on. Its just a tad bit longer than 2 hex tiles, the 88 dwarfs a King Tiger, The Amtrak can haul a Sherman around its so big, the poor lil Italian tank is actually smaller than the 3" Gun, The Churchill AVRE is same size as original, but comes with its own carport, The German Messerschmitt has a wing span about the same length as a 3.5 floppy disc., the Jagdtiger is as big as the King Tiger but taller.

Im gonna have to start playing 100 pt games again. Anything bigger there wont be any room to manuever with all of the giants running about.

[Der Leiter]

The Higgins is extremely hudge for the maps we all play on. Its just a tad bit longer than 2 hex tiles...

I guess thats because they never expect it to leave the map (water) edge.

The Italian tank is hilarious, and possibly worth playing just because of it's size, even if it is a subpar PzIIC

[PatrickWR]

Those 2-man Italian tanks really were small....about the size of a large lawn tractor.

The Higgins boats routinely carried Shermans to the shore, so they should scale appropriately next to the M4A1.

The Flak 88 is huge...but at least we have one in the game now.

[Bobsalt]

LOL, is that the italian tank? Is it radio controlled? Driver better look left and right so he doesn't get run over :D
Well, someone can check the Italian L3/35 mini against the Tiger mini; the real-life measurements are:

L3/35
Length - 10'
Height - 4'2"
Width - 4'7"

Tiger (different sources vary slightly, but these are close)
Length - 27'9"
Height - 9'
Width - 12'

(Source: www.wwiivehicles.com)

So, before assuming this is yet another of WotC's screw-ups in scale, just keep in mind the L3/35 was small - a lot of 12-year old kids would be taller than it is. If the scale is right, the Tiger should be nearly three times as long and wide, and over twice as high. Someone who has both want to check?

[Autarch]

THANK ROMMEL!

The 88 has a full length barrel!

It looks perfect with the soldier, but a tad on the large size compared to the tank. I think the Tigers should be wider anyway.

The L3/35 is too small.

Thanks for the pic AusDig!

[CdtWeasel]

The higgins boat is rather large, the amtrack seems big but not sure if it is out of scale. I have no issues with the scale differences really, as long as the pieces are all what they are supposed to be.

[GraphCorp]

Armchair Generals,

If the Higgins boat is too large for 100m maps, why not try 10m ones? GUADALCANAL 1942 (10m & 100m) will be released on 31 October 2006! BANZAI !!!!!

[pdel21]

Well at least I can use the L3/35 as part of my Italian Army in the board game versions of A&A. Hopefully I pull a fair amount out of my case of boosters.

[nlentz88]

Armchair Generals,

If the Higgins boat is too large for 100m maps, why not try 10m ones? GUADALCANAL 1942 (10m & 100m) will be released on 31 October 2006! BANZAI !!!!!

I was definitely confused when I saw the pic of the Higgins posted in this thread. The stat card previewed in Opening Salvo didn't say anything about "this unit occupies two hexes." I figured WotC/AH would have scaled the Higgins down to fit in one hex, but for some reason they didn't think this was necessary. Since A&A:M isn't a naval combat game, I bet the two-hex size of the Higgins won't matter much, but it's still kinda odd.

This Higgins model will definitely fit much better on maps with larger hex sizes. Thank you HBF!

[CdtWeasel]

I was definitely confused when I saw the pic of the Higgins posted in this thread. The stat card previewed in Opening Salvo didn't say anything about "this unit occupies two hexes." I figured WotC/AH would have scaled the Higgins down to fit in one hex, but for some reason they didn't think this was necessary. Since A&A:M isn't a naval combat game, I bet the two-hex size of the Higgins won't matter much, but it's still kinda odd.

This Higgins model will definitely fit much better on maps with larger hex sizes. Thank you HBF!

Even at one hex, there is no map where you can use the higgins boat as of yet.

[RommeL BombeR 77]

So then could we possibly get more pics of units then? Is the Amtrack really that huge?

[Predator666]

The higgins was definetly not that big in real life. I hope the amtrack isn't that huge.

[Tico303]

LOL, is that the italian tank? Is it radio controlled? Driver better look left and right so he doesn't get run over

Yeah, it is small. It sais L3/38 below this picture but I guess it's basically the same tank.
http://digilander.libero.it/pmg/contributi/tommaso_m/tommaso.htm

[UnionMan]

This is not a new issue. All of the sets have major scale inconsistencies from piece-to-piece. It's all part of the omni-present and always controversial WOTC quality control and design issues. Personally, I'm starting to lose interest in these minis. Maybe WOTC should stick to Star Wars and Dungeons and Dragons, where attention to detail regarding real things that actually exist is not so important ;)

[mlund]

Wow, tsometimes history is strange.

Good to know someone did a little fact-checking instead of popping off about this like a ninny. The itty-bitty Italian tank really is to scale with the Tiger.

Meanwhile, the 88 is in scale with the other Type:Soldier units.

Of course, putting Solder-Scale units next to Vehicle-Scale units looks funny, but that was part of the game from day 1.

- Marty Lund

[RommeL BombeR 77]

so can we see some more pics from anyone?

[horacus]

That will be ok. I want to see the Jgdtiger sieze.

[UnionMan]

Please allow me to "pop off" again. How do you explain the size of the Hellcat? The Japanese Armored car?

Poping out...

[RommeL BombeR 77]

Please allow me to "pop off" again. How do you explain the size of the Hellcat? The Japanese Armored car?

Poping out...

You Dont Thats the answer.

[horacus]

Exactly......

[mlund]

Neither model was in D-Day, for one thing. :rolleyes:

Secondly, it seems to me that both models were done in Infantry Scale instead of Vehicle Scale.

Doesn't explain the 3" Gun though.

Meanwhile, two of the models actually being complained about in this thread (the italian tank and the 88) are actually in their proper scales - forcing people to redirect their unsatisfied whining impulses on other units we've already complained about before.

- Marty Lund

[RommeL BombeR 77]

Neither model was in D-Day, for one thing. :rolleyes:

Secondly, it seems to me that both models were done in Infantry Scale instead of Vehicle Scale.

Doesn't explain the 3" Gun though.

Meanwhile, two of the models actually being complained about in this thread (the italian tank and the 88) are actually in their proper scales - forcing people to redirect their unsatisfied whining impulses on other units we've already complained about before.

- Marty Lund

Very nice phycological input

[Lagduf]

Wow, tsometimes history is strange.

Good to know someone did a little fact-checking instead of popping off about this like a ninny. The itty-bitty Italian tank really is to scale with the Tiger.

Meanwhile, the 88 is in scale with the other Type:Soldier units.

Of course, putting Solder-Scale units next to Vehicle-Scale units looks funny, but that was part of the game from day 1.

- Marty Lund

Agreed. The Minis we have are only representations of the Units they portray. Hence one infantry unit representing a squad.

[RommeL BombeR 77]

Soo are we gonna see some unit pics?