Problem with SS Stormtrooper

[UnionMan]

Forgive me if this has been brought up before, but I am curious to know whether or not this is an acknowledged error.

The SS Stormtrooper is marked year 1939 but his figure and picture show him holding an MP44. His high close range attack value, in my mind, would be attributed to his use of the MP44. Seems to me that the year on this unit should be changed to 1944.

Thoughts?

[Sniper45]

He could just be really good at close range attacks no matter what the weapon.

[Lotus]

He get's next to no mid-range shot though. Might that be reflective of the MP44?

[Sniper45]

How about we ask HHR?

[UnionMan]

He get's next to no mid-range shot though. Might that be reflective of the MP44?

Yes, it is. The MP44, widely regarded as the first modern assault rifle, is really a short range weapon (very similar to the AK47). I've never shot an MP44, but I have shot an AK, and a medium to long range weapon it is not.

[Sniper45]

But, weren't SS stormtroopers in the war before 1944?

[Lotus]

But, weren't SS stormtroopers in the war before 1944?

That is his point, I think. They're marked as 1939.

[mlund]

They were in all likelihood in service from 1939 - 1945, and were issued the 44 during 1944. They probably used other short-ranged assault weapons from 1939-1943. Kind of silly to give them a weapon that they didn't use until the end of the war though, eh?

- Marty Lund

[Lotus]

They were in all likelihood in service from 1939 - 1945, and were issued the 44 during 1944. They probably used other short-ranged assault weapons from 1939-1943. Kind of silly to give them a weapon that they didn't use until the end of the war though, eh?

- Marty Lund

If it's true (you did say in all likelihood :D ), that's the best explanation I've heard yet.

[CdtWeasel]

Well the mosion-nagants are showing in 1939 uniforms and are 1939 units, but have the late war tokarev semi-auto rifle.

[UnionMan]

Either way it's fine, I guess. I noticed the issue when my buddy and I were playing a 1939/1940 restricted historical game. When I saw him bust out the SS Stormtrooper I called him on it only to find out that it was marked 1939! Odd, I said. He's got a weapon from 1944!

[WotC Bob]

When they create the stats for a character, including the availability date, it's without the artwork. Now the artwork could just as easily show the Stormtrooper with an MP 40 rather than a Sturmgewehr 44, but either way, the stats have to reflect the unit from '39 through war's end. Yes, there is a difference in how these two weapons perform but the unit is a Stormtrooper, not a MP40 or a MP44, which would suggest that the stats are as much about Stormtroopers and their method of fighting as they are about the weapon.

[Predator666]

I think they shoulda made it an MP-40 type unit. Thats something the russians have and no other nations have officially......an SMG unit. The russians weren't the only country with SMGs. I think the pic should either have an MP-40 or be a later war unit. The SS should all be later war because they are to hard to beat with most nations in early war scenarios.

[Lagduf]

but I have shot an AK, and a medium to long range weapon it is not.

Most combat takes place within 100 meters, so yeah for what is the AK get it's job done well.

[Surfer_Sam]

Wait, the number in the name of the gun is the year it was first produced?

Ex.- MP44, produced in 1944

[PatrickWR]

HHR gave him the benefit of the doubt and made the year 1944.

EDIT: Bob makes a good point about the name of the mini. The PPSh-41 is a submachinegun unit through and through, but an SS-Panzergrenadier or Defiant Paratrooper can be imagined to be armed with whatever they need to get the job done. :cool:

[RommeL BombeR 77]

i posted somthing like this a while ago and got schooled by someone about how in the pic its not an MP44

['panzer' Mayer]

The SS should all be later war because they are to hard to beat with most nations in early war scenarios.

What are you talking about my Polish horsey men :D run them over NOT joking run them right off the map :p

[RommeL BombeR 77]

What are you talking about my Polish horsey men :D run them over NOT joking run them right off the map :p
True DAT!!!! :)

[UnionMan]

i posted somthing like this a while ago and got schooled by someone about how in the pic its not an MP44

Really? Apparently that person had no idea what they were talking about! ;)

[Canuck_Captain]

But, weren't SS stormtroopers in the war before 1944?

actually they were in the war in the beginning...
this was brought up a couple of months ago and when we did some research we found out that the SSST were in fact a 1939 units

[UnionMan]

Stormtrooopers were around at the beginning of the war, they just didn't have MP44s ;)