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Xartloz
07-17-2006, 08:28 AM
In another thread I postet about a 200pt UK Army idea I had. Now I have testet that idea in a head to head battle against the evil german. Here is the report!

UK Army :

3 x Hawker Typhoon = 63 Pt
3 x Spitfire = 45 Pt.
10 x Defiant Paratrooper = 80 Pt.
1 x Insp. Hero = 9 Pt.
3 x Tank Obstecales = 3 pt.

Total = 200 Pt.

German Army :

1 x Brummbär = 22pt.
1 x Elite Panzer IV D = 18pt.
1 x PAK 40 = 14 pt.
2 x Wenmacht Sniper = 22pt.
1 x SS-Haupsturmfürher = 7pt.
1 x SS-Panzergrenadier = 5pt.
1 x 88mm Flak 36 = 19pt.
1 x Focker-Wulf 109A = 14pt.
2 x Fortress Defender = 4pt
1 x Grizzled Veteran = 8pt.
1 x Veteran Tiger = 65pt.
1 x Pilbox = 2pt.

Total = 200pt.

My prime targets was to get the Elite Panzer IV, the 88mm Flak and the 2 Snipers out, all of them have crack shot and is a killer against planes.

1st round I made a full out attack with all 6 planes and took out the first sniper and damaged the Panzer IV, had I deployed a few paratroopers this turn I could most likely have taken out his 88mm flak as well, even tho he had the flak in a Pilbox. Againt the odds my opponent rolled very bad dices and took out zero planes.

2nd round I fielded 3 paratroopers 1 hex away from his 88mm flak, close to his commander as well. My planes attacked the last sniper and the elite panzer IV. Bad luck wanted it so I only got his 88mm flak and the elite Panzer IV. My opponent this time fielded his Focker-Wulf and attacked one of my Hawker Typhoons, I attacked his Focker-Wulf with a spitfire and both the Typhoon and the Spitfire got distruptet. 2 unsuccesfull spitfire attacks on his remaining sniper and all I had done was distrupting him. Darn cover saves ;)

3rd round I added 2 more Paratroopers where his 88mm flak had been to increase the preasure on his right flank. Sadly he rolled a succesfull movement roll and ignored the tank Obstecale I had placed so he got his Brummbär into position. With the two non-distruptet Hawker Typhoons I now atttacked his Brummbär while my spitfires attacked his now spawned Grizzly Veteran and his distruptet sniper. He attacked my planes with everything he could and did make a succesfull distrupt on a spitfire with his Veteran that he now had in a pilbox. 5 attacks and 4 cover saves later he was still in that pilbox... darn pilboxes :p

4th round, I now had all 3 hawkers into action again and with the Brummbär killing a paratrooper last time and almost getting a second I wasnt planning on letting that one live for long. I fielded all 3 Hawkers on the tale of the Brummbär and succesfully distruptet and damaged the darn thing. Sadly I had placed my Spitfires a little dumb and even tho I took out his remaining sniper I was unable to fire back at the Focker-Wulf that came from behind only to shoot down one of my beloved Hawkers. With my remaining 3 paratroopers I succesfully distruptet his Veteran (like it matters) and killed his Fuhrer.

5th round I placed another 2 paratroopers on his left flank that was not open for attacks. He had a PAK 40 and a Fortress Defender as easy pickings, and they could pose a threath to his darn Focker-Wulf... or so I thought. This round I decided to get rid of his Veteran once and for all so I took a full out attack with my 3 paratroopers and 3 spitfires to cleance the world from this dreaded Veteran.... after all attacks had been made the foul creature still stood strong... darn cover saves :) My remaining 2 Hawkers took out the Brummbär that tried its last attack on a paratrooper .. to no prevail, tho his Veteran took out a Hawker Typhoon .. only 1 left and my opponent was now begining to move his Veteran Tiger near the objective while shooting at my paratroopers... they are supprisingly strong against the Veteran Tiger... he never killed a single unit with that Tiger. I managed to take out a fortress defender and to distrupt his PAK 40 as well.

6th round I dropped my remaining 3 paratroopers at the objective while keeping my hero out of the heat just yet. I wanted to keep him out for round 7 where Tally Ho could come in handy to keep his Veteran Tiger out of the Objective. He now began to move all of his units to the objective .. but also out of cover.. something my Spitfires liked and his SS-Panzergrenadier and last Fortress Defender got killed by. I also moved my remaining 5 Paratroopers against the objective now that only his hero was left standing in a pilbox near his deployment zone.

7th round. This could have won the battle for me if I had gotten the Tiger distruptet... my dices didnt agree with my plan tho :rolleyes: I fielded my Hero and used Tally Ho on the 2 paratroopers that could reach the tiger. Due to me wining the intiative I now had 2 defensive fire attacks in case he moved .. as he did .. I failed both attacks... I tried with rockets from my last Hawker to little use. My opponent on the other hand took advangtes of all this and even tho I shot down his darn Focker-Wulf it also took down my last Hawker Typhoon .. bad thing so close to wining.

8th and 9th round kinda looked like the same, I kept all 3 spitfires out of battle ( powerless against the tiger and his Hero was in cover ) while 2 paratroopers was pounding on the tiger .. in 9th round I succesfully distruptet the Tiger tho. All this while my other paratroopers rushed to the objective. My opponent attacked my hero with his tiger in both rounds with little luck.

10th and final round was as fast as round 8th and 9th. I attacked his Veteran Tiger and he attacked my Hero and none made a scratch to eachothers. Now his Hero had moved out from the bushes and I decided to take the points with me in this final round (stupid call) and attacked his Hero with all 3 spitfires thinking it would kill that darn hero for certain .. man was I wrong .. after 3 less succesfull attacks all I had done was to distrupt him.. while he took down one of my spitfires with 3 6´s ... lucky shot but still it was 15pt. in a round where points was all.

Final Score :

UK
2 Spitfires
8 Paratroopers
1 Insp Hero
= 119pt.

German
1 Veteran Tiger
1 Grizzled Veteran
= 73pt.

Amazingly I won and I must admit that I was supprised by the effectivity of this 200pt. UK Army. I will try this army out again for sure.

Richter von Manthofen
07-17-2006, 08:38 AM
I believe he should have left the Pak and the Fortress defenders out and have added another Elite Pz IV. (the Pak was useless)

An interesting all AIR build.

I will think of an similar 100 point build for Saturdays game...

cannonfodder
07-17-2006, 09:02 AM
So next time you play this opponent do you play the same army or confuse him by playing something based on what you think he will play to counteract your flying army?
In other words, do you expect him to play a AA focussed next game? If you do then do you field all tanks?
Hee hee hee, the options are endless. Now you've got him worried. Nice write up of the game too.

Richter von Manthofen
07-17-2006, 09:06 AM
I do not believe his army was that bad against the flying machines. All he needed was a Elite Pz IV or two more and the AA capability was better. Adding another plane would have helped too though the Spits are nasty as they have an increased short range.

His problem was (IMHO that the Vet Tiger did not live to its expetations and 65 points is darn much...

Xartloz
07-17-2006, 09:10 AM
I play in a club where we just play at random with whatever army we have built and want to use. We do not however look at eachothers army before we begin play .. so most armies in the club is pretty rounded up .. this army as you can see have tried to take everyting into count ... against a fully specialised army like my 200pt. UK is stood kinda powerless once I had taken out his crack shot units

Xartloz
07-18-2006, 12:38 AM
So next time you play this opponent do you play the same army or confuse him by playing something based on what you think he will play to counteract your flying army?
In other words, do you expect him to play a AA focussed next game? If you do then do you field all tanks?
Hee hee hee, the options are endless. Now you've got him worried. Nice write up of the game too.

I play my army as I feel like it and depending on what opponent I meet. I know that using the same tactic, army, setups each game wont be beneficial for you so I try to use a red line instead, meaning that all my armies have the same red line in playstyle but I never uses the same tactic or setup in them.

All in all people allready dont know what to expect from me when we play random games, so I wont be able to use this win against the way you write here.... sadly one could say ;)

tragicmishap
07-18-2006, 09:58 PM
So I looked at the two armies and before reading the results concluded that the British army would win if the commander was not a complete moron. Why? It's very simple. The British army has 89 points of Def 5 infantry units. The German army has 13 points of the same and spent a whole bunch of points on weak defense units with high AV stats, and you had no Vehicles. Game over before it started. You won on points because your units were too hard to kill and his weren't.

Xartloz
07-19-2006, 08:47 AM
So I looked at the two armies and before reading the results concluded that the British army would win if the commander was not a complete moron. Why? It's very simple. The British army has 89 points of Def 5 infantry units. The German army has 13 points of the same and spent a whole bunch of points on weak defense units with high AV stats, and you had no Vehicles. Game over before it started. You won on points because your units were too hard to kill and his weren't.

I cant say that I agree that the game was over before it startet.

5 Units with crack shot, 2 of those with camouflage and a 7/6 armor tank, Brummbär that all experiensed players will know is a freebie for only 22pts. Had he taken out my planes faster with a few lucky shots ( and had he used his hero in turn 1 ) I am almost sure that he would have done far better. The match setup where far from given imho.

My setup is weak due to more than 100pts bound in planes that are easy shot down for units with AA or Crackshot. He had 6 units in total with those abilities. with 3 hawkers dead in round 2 or 3 I would have been powerless against his Brummbär, and elite panzer ... heck even snipers could be a problem when paratroopers is distruptet.

As said in earlier post I will try out this setup some more in my local AAM club and give some more reports for those who have showned interrest in this build :)

cannonfodder
07-19-2006, 09:45 AM
Sounds like an impressive army. It should work well against most builds, as I 've said before. I'd like to hear how this build does in future battles. It's nice to see the planes playing a major role rather than just puttering around disrpting things until they die.
Very creative too. It's pushing the bounds like this that help this game develop. Thanks for posting this.