Fun little combo...

[sgt. dekkard]

I played a 300pt game the other night, this was the army I fielded:

12x Heros of the Soviet Union
8x Communist Partisans
4x SU-76M
1x IL-10 Sturmovik
2x Guards T-34/85
7x PPSh-41 SMG

We played a made up scenario - the object was capture the town on map Dog-1. My oppenent deployed first, then I hit him with 4 Partisans along the map edge on either side of the town. I won initiative so then I dropped a hero in every Partisan hex...BOOM! all of a sudden before the first turn even gets moving I have 16 infantry pieces within 4 hexes of my objective. Oh wee! He had to turn all his armor (5x Elite Pazers and a Brumbar) around to try and fend of this sneak attack behind the lines. But as soon as he did that my Russian Tank destryers closed infrom behind and POOFED the tanks. Sure he had dug in the town (2x mortors, machine guns) but I still had 4 Heros to place over the next turns. (NOTE: I made 6 ENdurance cover saves - that sure helped as well)

Partisan & Soviet Hero can wreak havoc

[johnnyonthespot]

Did your opponent know that you would be fielding that army?

That looks like a good army to surprise someone with!

[TheJudge]

12 heroes.........sigh

By the way, you are missing the best in life if you don't use a few communist partisans to spawn your heroes on their side of the map.

[TheJudge]

Erf...you were playing them

Sorry

[Hum_35711]

12 heroes.........sigh

By the way, you are missing the best in life if you don't use a few communist partisans to spawn your heroes on their side of the map.

I was just going to say that. 12 Heroes?!? YIKES!

[RBloom0566]

Gross abuse of the Hero concept.
Just proves the Hero is broken.

[Cruizin2000]

C'mon, guys, cut sgt. dekkard some slack. If he wants to play a 300 point cheese army and has fun doing it, let him. Dekkard, you can open that deli any time you want to.

C2000

[WinterWarCaptain]

Gross abuse of the Hero concept.
Just proves the Hero is broken.

Dido. Though this might be regarded as a great experiment proving the above. Thanks!

[Stojakovic]

You sir. are evil. That is one nice build I tell you what :)

[Remember-OWS-]

I would not mind challenging you with some Wirlbewind. The Hereos really do not like that tank, neither the Sturmovik.

[sgt. dekkard]

I would not mind challenging you with some Wirlbewind. The Hereos really do not like that tank, neither the Sturmovik.


actually he had a Whirlybird, gave me some grief, but with the 4 tank destryers and 2 guards, not for long. although i must give him props - for destroying one of my guard with an elite: first attack 8 of 9 dice for two successes leaving my guard disrupted and damaged - next turn another 8 of 9 hits to desroy my Guard. Man was I ******.

[sgt. dekkard]

C'mon, guys, cut sgt. dekkard some slack. If he wants to play a 300 point cheese army and has fun doing it, let him. Dekkard, you can open that deli any time you want to.

C2000


No it proves morons shouldn't be allowed to play fun games.


Come on now, don't be hatin'. can't a guy just have a little fun without being lamb basted? It is suppose to be a game after all. Sure I play the regular 100pt tourney armies EVERYONE else plays, but there's so many other cool units, it's also fun (fun being the key)...to play with some of them on ocassion. I mean heck, i paid for them, why just use the same 20 or 30 units when i've got like 180 different ones sitting in my multiple tackle boxes all meticuously organized by nation.

PS - If you liked this army, you should see my japanese amphibious tank swam....whooooeeee! that's some ugly fun.

[sgt. dekkard]

I would not mind challenging you with some Wirlbewind. The Hereos really do not like that tank, neither the Sturmovik.

did i mention the 6 endurance saves with the Soviet Hero?

[PadreJim]

Sgt. Dekkard, I think what the problem people are having is this: You have 12 heroes in an army. 12. Think about that for a second. It's horrifically unbalancing, and it really isn't in the spirit of the game as many posters see it. I, personally, think it's a dumb army build and would refuse to play against it, but if you and your buddies want to go that route, more power to you.

[Yakumo_Fujji]

I think it's kind a cool.
It could have been A guy bragging that his army was unstoppeble.
Some one showed him, And besides We need to figure out the good and the bad units of this game :P
I''l say go for it and kick ass......

Grtz

[Patton4014]

I have been on both end of a multi-hero battle. While it is fun to have them on your side, it is a very broken concept to be able to field 4 out of 8 infantry in a 100 pt game as a hero.

Or 12 heros that just suddenly appear on the board behind the lines.

I like big battles (average total is 1000). So much so that I have a hard time playing 100 pts because I never play them other than at tournaments.

While it is fun to play cheese battles to have all of my Vet Tigers and King Tigers on the board, some pieces are just unbalanced. Heros are one of them.

[tragicmishap]

LOL! I broke out laughing when I saw that build. The Soviet Heroes are really fun. Whenever you make an Endurance save it makes your opponent cry, because they are so hard to kill in the first place. And the obligatory comment: Everybody plays by the same rules, so what's the problem?

[118th_MPCo_abn]

Glad you had fun with this build. I would be happy to play a match with you anytime because of the fact that you enjoy the game for what it is.

Keep it fun!

[Dr.Cornelius]

The Soviet Heroes are very strong against infantry, opposing Heroes and medium tanks - but I don't think you fielded anywhere near enough AT assets to take an army with 3 or more rear defense 6+ tanks.

[tragicmishap]

A Sturmovik getting free shots the whole game, 4X expendable tank destroyers and 2X Guards plus 12 infantry units with a CA of 8? Give me a break. Were you planning on playing 12 AVREs or something?

[RBloom0566]

C'mon, guys, cut sgt. dekkard some slack. If he wants to play a 300 point cheese army and has fun doing it, let him. Dekkard, you can open that deli any time you want to.

C2000

Cruizin:

Oh, I'm not saying he can't play what he wants to play in his games at all! If you've got 'em, play 'em. I just feel that the unit itself is broken in being too overpowered.

To my mind, a hero is sort of a unique fellow. One wouldn't find 12 heros out of, what, 28 ground units unless it was something akin to the Charge of the Light Brigade! A hero is not a grunt. He is one who shines in adversity. There is no adversity in packing 12 Rambos in an army.

Sorry, they just enter the Order of Battle too easily for my personal taste. But I repeat, you can play what you want.

[NumberCruncher]

I represent the Ministry of Fun.
Please define your conceipt of "fun".
Was this just fun for you, or were others incuded or subjected to this "fun"?
You see, here at the Ministry of Fun, it is important that all our subjects, I mean consumers, have fun.
"fun" must be protected and maintained.
Even liers, false advertisers and game designers deserve and are encouraged to have "fun".
You are all equal in our eyes.

[Xartloz]

Proves that having a limit of 1 hero pr. army no matter what point size is a good idea :rolleyes:

Also proves that cheese play can be found everywhere :D

[boersma8]

12 heroes of the soviet union,hmm? I thought it was a pretty rare medal to receive..........more heroes than " regular" infantry....Though to many this may indeed be " fun" formany others I believe it spoils the " fun". I wonder if playing by the HHR rules would spoil anyone's fun............

I read up a little more on the Eagle eyed NCO on the boards ( hadn't played or played against it yet, since we also enjoy playing many other wargames) enabling e.g. bazookas to fire effectively up to a range of 6 hexes, if I understood it correctly and the same goes for brens and Bars...I've decided NOT TO ABANDON THE GAME but to start using the HHR from now on. Though there might still be a few minor issues ( I would've liked a still more realistic sniper rule), that's about all I have " against" those rules. With the official rules it's really been the last straw now. With the " reserves" still to come I'm afraid a few more highly unrealistic and gamey SAs and game mechanisms might be introduced....Personally, I'd like to get a feel what kind of chance a certain unit stood when faced by a particular other and from which ranges etc. they might or might not be effective etc.The game has awesome potential and I think the HHR folks have come much closer to realising that than the guys from WoTC. After all, they did promise us a historically accurate game and when I wasyoung my parents always taught me to make good on my promises or not make the promise in the first place......

[Cruizin2000]

Cruizin:

Oh, I'm not saying he can't play what he wants to play in his games at all! If you've got 'em, play 'em. I just feel that the unit itself is broken in being too overpowered.

To my mind, a hero is sort of a unique fellow. One wouldn't find 12 heros out of, what, 28 ground units unless it was something akin to the Charge of the Light Brigade! A hero is not a grunt. He is one who shines in adversity. There is no adversity in packing 12 Rambos in an army.

Sorry, they just enter the Order of Battle too easily for my personal taste. But I repeat, you can play what you want.


I wasn't putting him down. I thought that it was cool that he could do that. It's a game and games are meant to be fun. At least he had fun. On the other hand, if I fielded such an army against my wargaming buddys they'd probably try to hurt me in some way - that's out. I look at that build as an easy win for the Soviets - not too challenging. But, if you're the cat that beats that army, well, you're the Hero of Germany. :cool:

C2000

[carson]

[QUOTE=sgt. dekkard]Come on now, don't be hatin'. can't a guy just have a little fun without being lamb basted?


Sure you can. You just can't talk about it on a games forum.
If you do, all these other people - the self anointed elite, who believe THIER idea of how to play is somehow more valid than yours - will chime in & bash you down.

[Cruizin2000]

[QUOTE=sgt. dekkard]Come on now, don't be hatin'. can't a guy just have a little fun without being lamb basted?


Sure you can. You just can't talk about it on a games forum.
If you do, all these other people - the self anointed elite, who believe THIER idea of how to play is somehow more valid than yours - will chime in & bash you down.

Isn't this the same sh*t that the Mods are trying to get rid of?

C2000

[118th_MPCo_abn]

Good point Carson

[RBloom0566]

[QUOTE=carson]

Isn't this the same sh*t that the Mods are trying to get rid of?

C2000

Yes, it most definitely is! No one was "tearing down" anyone, nor did anyone get "lamb basted." I swear, it's getting to the point where you can't even discuss the damn-blasted game mechanics without someone's wild **** hair getting pulled!

It was commentary on what is popularly recognized as a broken mechanic of the game. I don't care if he personally fields a force of 15 Hero of the Soviet Union and nothing else, but if it's going to be posted here, EXPECT some comments that pat you on the back AND some that don't think it's the keenest build around!

SORRY!
Accused A&AM Elitist

[PadreJim]

I think, in my personal opinion, that fielding 1 Hero for every 100 points is an extremely generous allowance for this game, however, if you don't think there should be limits, then run with it. It's your game, you play it the way you want. However, RBloom makes an excellent point when he says that you were not being slagged on at all. No one lambasted you, but those of us who have been deemed 'elitist' because we dislike your list feel that it went against what we feel is the spirit of the game. As an Historical wargame, it is definatively Ahistorical to have huge amounts of super elite heroic infantry in a battle. Certainly, there were heroes in the war, but the very virtue of heroism is its rarity. Heroes are not a dime a dozen, nor should they be, for that commonality would cheapen their heroism. It is up to us, the players, to maintain the spirit of the game. Wizards and Avalon Hill have merely given us the idea, and we must preserve it.