New planes on New carriers- SWEET!

[Darksideknight]

Bout, time glad to see that fighter, and carrier cost come down. Mike I don't know if we'll ever see a soviet carrier but now we might see a German carrier! Love the new rule, much more realistic. One question are we going to have half ipcs in this game to take into account for the stuka strategic bombing?

-Jason

[ January 16, 2004, 03:07 PM: Message edited by: Darksideknight ]

[Desert Fox]

Yep, good desicions. And I'd round up. smile.gif

[thrasher]

I am sorry but I don't like this:

Personally I liked the rule as it was: makes it more important to 'plan' your purchases (or in case of the Allies work together - as an Allies' fighter can land on your Carrier ).

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[ButchOHare1]

I like it.

Question: did an aircraft carrier ever leave port with no planes on it?

It would be fully stocked: men, supplies equipment and planes.

[JTeal]

Yes!

Aircraft carriers with planes already on them!

This is a great rule and actually a "house" rule I've been playing by for years!

Glad to see it make it into official rules!

Granted this rule is best suited for Japan and the US, but now with cheaper carriers all sides have a chance at building a carrier and having it survive!

[ChrisTheCat]

Reducing carriers and fighters by 2 IPC is basically a cosmetic change, as is allowing fighters to be built on carriers. It's nice, but it's not earth shaking. I really don't see that people will be buying that many more carriers and fighters because they save a measly 2 IPC per unit.

[Darksideknight]

You'd be surprised at how many ipcs you'll save over the course of a long game. Granted thats if you plan on buying fighters and carriers. Now that they are a little more reasonably priced, I know i'll have a few stacks of fighters in my future game plans. Fighters are one of the most versitale peices in the game. With them costing 10 ipc how can you call that cosmetic?

-Jason

[Darksideknight]

You'd be surprised at how many ipcs you'll save over the course of a long game. Granted thats if you plan on buying fighters and carriers. Now that they are a little more reasonably priced, I know i'll have a few stacks of fighters in my future game plans. Fighters are one of the most versitale peices in the game. With them costing 10 ipc how can you call that cosmetic?

-Jason

[Drewcooter]

Great move on being able to place new air on CV's! Probably most helpful for the Japanese player, since under the old rules the UK or US could always count on the other for a fighter landing to support a new carrier. You don't typically see too many German fighters helping the Japanese out in the Pacific.

Stuka's

I am guessing that :

Roll

1-2= 1 point of damage
3-4= 2 points of damage
5-6= 3 points of damage.

Bombing with Stuka's not nearly as cost effective, to have the same impact as a 15 ipc bomber you must risk 20 ipc's in units.

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by JTeal:
Yes!

Aircraft carriers with planes already on them!

This is a great rule and actually a "house" rule I've been playing by for years!

!Yeah, I have been playing with that too, though since I hadn't read the rules in a LONG time I didn't know it wasn't officail. ;)

[Mike Selinker]

One question are we going to have half ipcs in this game to take into account for the stuka strategic bombing?You round up, natch. Risky as hell, but because their combat value is higher than bombers and they're two-thirds as cheap, dive-bombing-capable fighters are a good investment for the Germans.

Mike

[Desert Fox]

I'd say bombers are obsolete to the Germans except heavy ones, now. And wouldn't it be 1/3 as cheap??

[Darksideknight]

Another question for Mike :D With the optional rule, do stukas get to bomb other nations, as well as Britain to do stratigic bombing?

Thanks for the repleys Mike, I know everyone appreciates this. More probobly than some would be willing to admitt.

-Jason

[Mike Selinker]

With the optional rule, do stukas get to bomb other nations, as well as Britain to do stratigic bombing?Oh yeah, sure. They can dive-bomb anyone they want (well, except Japan, naturally).

Mike

[Mike Selinker]

I'd say bombers are obsolete to the Germans except heavy ones, now. And wouldn't it be 1/3 as cheap?? Two things, Desert Fox: One, it's an optional rule, and two, bombers still are the best thing to fly into combat with. No rule's going to change that.

And yes, I guess it would be 1/3 as cheap, if anything that costs more than 8 IPCs can be said to be cheap at all. ;)

Mike

[Desert Fox]

Originally posted by Mike Selinker:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />I'd say bombers are obsolete to the Germans except heavy ones, now. And wouldn't it be 1/3 as cheap?? Two things, Desert Fox: One, it's an optional rule, and two, bombers still are the best thing to fly into combat with. No rule's going to change that.

And yes, I guess it would be 1/3 as cheap, if anything that costs more than 8 IPCs can be said to be cheap at all. ;)

Mike</font>[/QUOTE]4's are better than 3's, naturally, but with a defense of 1 to a fighter's 4 (at least at the moment), and 15 IPC's to 10, I don't see much reason for the Germans to buy Bombers. If you give people a choice of a fighter and a tank or a bomber, I'd bet 2 out of three people would pick the fighters, especially w/the optional rule.

[Iccemann]

Another comparison of fighters and bombers...

For 30 IPC's you get 2 bombers or 3 fighters. That's 2 "4's" while attacking vs. 3 "3's". When considering the defense differences, this price drop makes fighters seem so much more valuable.

However, the bombers' value is drawn closer to the fighter because of its longer range, and because of the new Technology rules (Heavy bombers at 1 in 6 chance for 5 IPC).

I was thrilled to hear about the 10 IPC for fighters...they seem so incredibly versitale for offense, defense, mobility, quick response/quick strike, preventing amphibious attacks, etc...

I don wander though...Fighters are now cheaper AND fairly easily upgraded to a range of 6 with new Technology rules. Will they be too powerful for that price?

Can't wait for the new game!