Soviet 5/5 Paratrooper

[Remember-OWS-]

The Soviet Union Paratrooper were Elite troops.
In the '30 they were the real first Brigade size Airborne troops in the world.
Even the German were impress at that time.

It went to a total of five 10,000-men airborne corps formed in the USSR by the summer of 1941.

When the WWII broke out, all five airborne corps battled against the invaders in Latvia, Belorussia, Ukraine and in the neighbourhood of Moscow where the 4th Airborne Corps took part in the largest Soviet para operation in early 1942

So, even if the result of Airborne assault, by brigade size troops, was not successful, they did fight along regular infantry and had a better training than the others.

[horacus]

Interesting information. A unit based on these guy's should be cool.

[AudieMurphy]

You are so right Remember-OWS-!
Soviets were the pioneer of airborne operations and they deserve a paratrooper unit in A&AM!
And since Germany is FINALLY getting their Fallschirmjagers, Soviet UNion is the only nation of the Big 5 to be left without a paratrooper unit. You got my vote!

[mu11etboyz93]

theyre also the only current major nation with no 5/5 infantry other than the hero.

[Canuck_Captain]

knowing our luck well get another 4/4 soldier with limited range ;)

[cannonfodder]

Wasn't that how they actually worked though? Didn't they count on walls of flesh with short range weapons to overwhelm the opposition? I am not well versed in WW2 history but I thought that the Russians believed in quantity not quality when it came to infantry.
These paras sound cool and I'm sure they are elite troops but for reg inf I thought the stats and units were fairly well represented in the game. Am I wrong? I don't know.

[Anubis]

Let us not forget how AMAZING the soviet armor is. Nothing ruins my day more than a wave of T-34s and KV-1s comming at me.

[AudieMurphy]

mu11etboyz93
"theyre also the only current major nation with no 5/5 infantry other than the hero."

Excellent point, sir!

[Remember-OWS-]

Wasn't that how they actually worked though? Didn't they count on walls of flesh with short range weapons to overwhelm the opposition? I am not well versed in WW2 history but I thought that the Russians believed in quantity not quality when it came to infantry.
These paras sound cool and I'm sure they are elite troops but for reg inf I thought the stats and units were fairly well represented in the game. Am I wrong? I don't know.

The Human wave was done with Partisans and low level training soldier. Yes Mass was exploited more than tactical advantage, but few books are really devoted to Soviet Airborne troops, who actually flew more mission than the German, were fear a lot more by the Waffen-SS than any other faction.
So they should be 5/5 with some SA.

[J.L.Robert]

Let us not forget how AMAZING the soviet armor is. Nothing ruins my day more than a wave of T-34s and KV-1s comming at me.

A wave of Soviet tanks would be cool...if people could assemble a wave of them. Stupid rares... :)

I'm fortunate to have a wave of them (6 KV-1's, 7 T-34/76's), but that was with a bit of hard work (and purchasing 4 collections from other players).

[Arontje]

A new SA.

Human wave: this unit counts as a half unit towards your armybuild.

[Taisho_Alex]

That actually sounds like a nice SA, they coud retrofit a couple of units with this, the Mosin Nagant, the Mauser Kar, the Arisaka Rifle, the PPsh, Kmt Riflemen - units like that, then you could actually field a nice infantry force without having to resort to the 5/5 def units just to use the point allotment :) (see other thread ;))

[Richter von Manthofen]

Human wave should noz apply to the Mauser - Germany did not use that tactic (AFAIK)

[Taisho_Alex]

I just lumped in all the 3 points or less infantry I could remember off the top of my head.

The germans didnt field quantity through tactic? So the SSPG tactic is actually the corect historical german tactic, or what? *confuzzled* ohh anyway, I'm not playing the germans :)

[Richter von Manthofen]

I meant real world ;)

Only Russia China and Japan had "enough" men (or believed to have) to do human wave tactics.

[Taisho_Alex]

So,, lets retrofit it to all the basic infantry for those three countries :D :D :D (My Arisakas will see play again on a regular basis)

Lets call it something else though.. had a good name 10 miniutes ago, but forgot to type it down ;)

[Richter von Manthofen]

SA: Cannonfodder. ;)

BTW Taisho - have you decided on your second nation to collect?

[Arontje]

Yes you can name it differently.

Give all basic soldiers:

Grunts: the normal infantry was the biggest part of the military. This unit counts as 0,5 towards your army limit.


You can do human wave as a russian specific.
Human wave: you can choose 6 of these while only counting as 1 towards your armylimit. Maximum of 9 may be chosen this way.


Just examples of course.

[Richter von Manthofen]

Just thought of it: Nation specific army limits.

*** Russia and China can field more units (say 20-25) than US/GErmany for example... (only 10?)

[Taisho_Alex]

SA: Cannonfodder.. BAH! :P *lol*

Well okay its true ;)

I think I'll be collecting the russians as my second - I decided against the US, germany is also axis (I want one of each before I start playing with more ) and UK is too limited at this time, even with what I have at my disposal. The IS-2 really made my day too.. being used to the japanese origami tanks wayching a 7/ beast with AI 8/8/7 an AV 18/15/12 (long range is just 1 die worse than my best japanese AV at close).

Having had a look at the other SU units I think they are better suited to my style of play anyway :) - All I need are 3-5 KV-1's, 2-4 Cossack Captains and some other misc tanks and a boatload of infantry ;)

Arontje:
The Human wave as you suggest should be applied to the chinese as well, no?

[boersma8]

theyre also the only current major nation with no 5/5 infantry other than the hero.

I expect we'll be seeing guards infantry one day or another...They'll have 5/5........

[cannonfodder]

Okay so if the Russians get a 5/5 infantry, does it have limited range 2 like so many of their units?

[spacepope]

I expect we'll be seeing guards infantry one day or another...They'll have 5/5........

I think that would be a more likely choice before an airborne unit. They were only used a couple times and failed horribly in each instance. I would hope for a guards rifle or SVT-40 unit before an airborne soldier, but with the nature of the Reserves Expansion, it's hard to tell what will make the cut. The whole point is to include bizarre units with little-zero strategic value (which still befuffles me).

[whitewind]

Russian para's... even though they were not used much I would still like to see'em.

[Remember-OWS-]

The mistake by many is the Airborn unit serve as Guards on the ground. They had specific mission, sabotage and partisan like troublemaker.

So it could be a double Unit...

Para and Guard. So Airborn capacity and ground special abilities.

[Taisho_Alex]

That would be VERY expensive - drop them anywhere AND have 5/5 AND have super SA's in the style of demolitions and/or high CA ..

[Remember-OWS-]

I would not mind if they cost more, if at least they had more to offer than the PPsH and Soviet Grenadier.

[mu11etboyz93]

i think they used ppshs so theyd probably have those attacks...but a CA and paratrooper.

[Remember-OWS-]

I'll make it more simple and more appealing to have a good Russian paratrooper:

http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/geronimo/geronimo_red_army_machinegun.jpg
These members of a Red Army parachute organization are machine gunners and are equipped
with Degtyarev light machine guns, Model 1928. Some of the weapons are equipped with flash
hiders, while the gun at lower right is fitted with a muzzle-cap.

Guards Airborne Brigades (Red Army short designation—VDV)
Degtyarev DP 1928 Machine-Gun Team

http://www.tarrif.net/wwii/img/techs/dpmg_main.jpg

Cost: 14
Defense: 4/4
Anti-Infantry: 9/8/7
Anti-Tank: 3/3/2

Paratrooper - This unit doesn't get placed on the map during deployment. At the end of any of your movement phases, you may deploy this unit on the map in any hex that isn't adjacent to an enemy unit. It can't move that phase.

Double Shot - This unit can make two attacks in your assault phase. When making a defensive-fire attack, this unit makes two attack rolls against the unit that provoked the attack

Suppressive Fire - This unit can make any number of defensive-fire attacks each phase

[mu11etboyz93]

a LMG would have something like covering fire not double shot. also for 14 points they should have a higher defense or at least steely resolve.

[Sturmgrenadier]

5/5 def, no duble shot, lower cost

[Taisho_Alex]

Thats not a paratrooper, thats a guards, paratrooper and MG rolled into one at a very low price.. yikes.. I hope this prediction does not come true, even at 4/4 defense (and no, not a higher defense jus because its 14 points and not steely resolve either - look at the stats and SA's and compare to other paratroopers)

[Sturmgrenadier]

Thats not a paratrooper, thats a guards, paratrooper and MG rolled into one at a very low price.. yikes.. I hope this prediction does not come true, even at 4/4 defense (and no, not a higher defense jus because its 14 points and not steely resolve either - look at the stats and SA's and compare to other paratroopers)
Ya dont compare whit japs paras, do ya? ;)

[Taisho_Alex]

Well them too, but double shot and suppresive fire is definately worth something ;)

Add in a long range attack thats better than most soldiers medium range attack and its a beast - at only 14 points? go home Screamin eagle paratrooper.. :-O *OMFG*