American Build

[Anubis]

Here is my 100 point American Build. This just beat a german build 6 infantry models, and 5 tanks. Here is the list, tell me if this was a fluke or I made a decent American list (this my second time using the Americans)

Commander:
Red Devil Captain

Infantry:
2x M1 Garand Rifle
Buffalo Soldier
3x BAR Gunner
2x M1 81mm Mortar

Armored Support:
M4A1 Sherman
M4A3 (105) Sherman

Exactly 100 points. We played Tiger heaven and I ended us losing the tanks, but I destroyed 2/5ths of the tanks and 4/6ths of the infantry.

[Lotus]

Here is my 100 point American Build. This just beat a german build 6 infantry models, and 5 tanks. Here is the list, tell me if this was a fluke or I made a decent American list (this my second time using the Americans)

Commander:
Red Devil Captain

Infantry:
2x M1 Garand Rifle
Buffalo Soldier
3x BAR Gunner
2x M1 81mm Mortar

Armored Support:
M4A1 Sherman
M4A3 (105) Sherman

Exactly 100 points. We played Tiger heaven and I ended us losing the tanks, but I destroyed 2/5ths of the tanks and 4/6ths of the infantry.

What exactly was the German Build?

How much did the American Mortar play in the destruction?

[shermanM4A1]

Looks good. Both shermans are pretty strong units. The only problem is that they might not be able to stand up to a Vet. Tiger. Since you said your opponent used 5 German tanks, I'm assuming that those tanks have a relatively low defense. So, you might want to watch out for stronger German tanks. Anyways, Congrats on your win and good luck in future games.

[Lotus]

Looks good. Both shermans are pretty strong units. The only problem is that they might not be able to stand up to a Vet. Tiger. Since you said your opponent used 5 German tanks, I'm assuming that those tanks have a relatively low defense. So, you might want to watch out for stronger German tanks. Anyways, Congrats on your win and good luck in future games.

I can see the American mortar tearing up those low-rent German tanks. And every American soldier a harbinger of bad German news. ;)

[Krautcommander47]

Looks like a good army to me, but it is tilted more towards anti infantry, if there are any big tanks, it could be your undoing.

[Anubis]

True vet tigers are a pain. His list included 2 Elite Panzer 4s, Hetzer, 2 panzer 3s, hampster, Luftwaffe Infantryman, 4 Fortress Defenders. Not that great, but thats still alot of armor. I know the list is oriented against anti infantry, but in the game I liked a panzer 3 with all the infantry. The Garands get 3 shots at armor, the bars get 2 at med range, as well as the cpt and the buffalo soldier. All of them took it down in one turn of shooting. That combo of infantry takes out most cheap to medium point armor.

Also the mortars killed all but one fortress defender and the Luftwaffe Infantryman. I'm correct in assuming that the tanks can spot for the mortar, right?

[horacus]

I think that the Tank can't spot for the Mortar, but I'm not sure(I never or almost never play the allies).

[Richter von Manthofen]

The tanks can spot for the mortar.

But I would give this aremy only 3-4 out of 10.

Because of too less firepower against tanks. I would add another Standard Sherman (better a rhino 26 points + 21 for the Sherman) and drop the 105 (-24 points). This would give you either 3 points (useless for US troops) or force you to get rid of 2 more points if you go with the Rhino. in the former case I would think of adding a 3 point infantry (MAS comes in my mind... - or if you want to stay pure how about adding another Captain for a BAR) It the latter case I would simply drop a BAR or Buffalo Soldier (and maybe exchange 1 or two BARs for a flamer or two)

I do not rate the German build high either as it makes heavy use of almost the worst units Germany can field: Fortress defender.(Hetzer and Elites are good, but the Panzer III seems outdated to me - two Stugs and two FDs less would have been better)

So yes It WAS INDEED a FLUKE. (a win against a not balanced enemy - mind you only took out two of his tanks and his infantry was clearly outclassed by yours)

The Mortars alone should be enough against enemy infantry. So your concern must be to have enough firepower against tanks. - Sermans do this nicely and they are good AI units too.

Just my2cents...

[Anubis]

Well keep in mind that I am constricted by what I own. I only own one regular sherman and one 105. The Rhino is one of the few pieces I didn't get in my case of set 2. Also it was my opponent's first time playing germans, he usually plays russians, hence the heavy tanks and crap infantry. I play germans as my second army, so I tried to help him without giving him too much help so I would know what he was taking. All-in-all, Richter, I'll take your words to heart and rework this list. I'll get back to you guys with more details, like a list, later.

[kurtgish]

Here are a couple of German 100-pt builds that may pose a challenge to your American army, though I like your army against many of the Japanese or Italian builds that I've seen.

The first German build would be tough for you because of its Vet Tiger, which would be almost impervious to your build - even when your M1 Garands are close-assaulting with the Red Devil adjacent, they only have a 14.5% chance of hitting the Tiger. Also the SS-PGs are notorious hard to kill, though your mortars will help.

The second German build has five tanks vs your two. While the Elite Panzer IV is somewhat susceptible to your M1 mortars (a 21% chance of being hit at long range), it can easily take out your mortars once within 8 hexes (a 90% chance of hitting the mortar). Plus the build will have a +1 initiative advantage over your Red Devil-containing army.

The Tiger’s Claws
Veteran Tiger 65 pts
SS-Panzergrenadier (x7) 35 pts

Panzer-4 Throng
Elite Panzer IV Ausf. D (x5) 90 pts
SS-Haupsturmführer 7 pts
Mauser Kar 98k 3 pts

[Anubis]

Intresting Ideas, I'll pass them on to my roomate, he plays the germans now. I also made a change to the list. As of now, I droped to Buffalo soldier for a bazooka. That should add a bit more anti-tank at close range.

[buddha_mcleod]

this is a good build, duh. because you brought all of the US standards

shermans
us mortar
RD+Garands

get rid of the buffalo IMO and find something else.