Why Don't the Russians Get Any Love From AAM?

[Kaufschtick]

After five sets...

-No MG team
-No 5/5 infantry w/o limits
-No paratrooper
-No AA unit
-The only "Big Five" country with only one a/c
-Their most comman and most widely identifiable tank is a "rare"
-Five of the seven units they get in set V are rares
-No basic infantry unit with an effective medium range w/o being command dependent

What's up with that? ;) I think someone at WotC still thinks the Cold War is on! ;)

[Cruizin2000]

Don't forget that they have but one airplane that doesn't have the anti air SA and isn't available until 1945. Poor Russians.

C2000

[polish_horsy]

the Russians are their price driver. you could build a solid American, UK, or German 200-point army for 10 bucks. the same for the Russians would cost you 50.

[shadowhooch]

But arguably, they have the best tanks. Especially with that ride-along ability.

The Russians are few; but the ones we got are mighty!

[johnnyonthespot]

-No MG team
You are right. This is ridiculous. I believe this is just to keep Soviet players buying each new set that comes out, stringing us along. I doubt we'll get it for a long time...

-No 5/5 infantry w/o limits
Goes against the game design theme for the Soviets as having masses of cheap, but inferior infantry. But given tendency toward power creep, I'll bet we see a Guards Infantrymen unit in the next set.

-No paratrooper
Well, we just now got the Fallschirmjager, so I wouldn't complain about not having Soviet Paras.

-No AA unit
No big deal. Use the Bofors.

-The only "Big Five" country with only one a/c
Yep. I wouldn't complain so much about the lack of an AA gun, but the lack of an AA fighter is a problem.

-Five of the seven units they get in set V are rares
I actually think this is a good thing. Good, quality sculpts and fun, fun units. Plus the Degtyarev and the BA-10M seem cool, too.


-No basic infantry unit with an effective medium range w/o being command dependent


Again, this goes against WotC's theme of Soviet close-combat AI attackers like the PPSh-41 and the Soviet Grenadiers... and further illustrates the need for the freakin' Maxim Machine Gun.

At the same time, the Soviet Union has gotten some of the most fun and "baddest" units in the game - KV-1, Katyusha, SU-152, IS-3, PPSh-41, IL-10.

In summary, you are right that some of these units are desperately needed. Others are not so much. Out of the list you have given above, I'd say the Maxim MG, Guards infantrymen, and an air superiority fighter are the three most needed units.

[johnnyonthespot]

BTW, the Russians get all kinds of love from me!

[Cruizin2000]

Evil-Bay has a T-34/76 currently going for $23.00 plus $2.50 s/h and it still has close to 9 hours left. :eek:

C2000

[johnnyonthespot]

Thankfully I have four T-34/76s and four KV-1s. Heheheheh.

I only have one or two of most other rares.

[Cruizin2000]

Thankfully I have four T-34/76s and four KV-1s. Heheheheh.

I only have one or two of most other rares.


Same here - 5 T-34/76, 4 KV-1, 6 SU-76, 6 T-70, 3 IS-2, 5 BM-10 and two of each of the other rares.

C2000

[johnnyonthespot]

5 BM-10

Do you mean the BM-13 Katyusha or the BA-10M?

If you have five Katyusha's you'd better lock your doors, 'cause I'm coming over to steal them!

[Cruizin2000]

Do you mean the BM-13 Katyusha or the BA-10M?

If you have five Katyusha's you'd better lock your doors, 'cause I'm coming over to steal them!


No, 5 BA-10s. Only 2 Kats.

C2000

[Creepingdeath_84]

I agree that the Russians need some vital units. Mainly an infantry unit that has good medium range without being command dependent. Also an AA gun, a fighter plane with AA, and a machine gun team would be nice. Hopefully theyll come out next set.

[The_Second_Gunman]

also a ROKS-2 flamethrower

[Dooppie]

Anti air will be fine.
Like AA and/or Yak airplane.

At Stalingrad the Sovjets have AA guns.

[dictator_wanna_be]

I dont really care about AA... here are no bombers and most aircraft can be downed with a decent infantry unit, I use the hero of the soviet union to do it.

But a machine gun is nessary... and a early war plane and a mid war plane...

Other various units maybe different T-34 varaints since they seem to pll sherman variants out of an endless pit im sure they can spare a few more T-34s...

[Roter_Teufel]

A possible reason for the lack of Russian units is due the size of the Russian market. I would bet that WOTC does not sell much of its product to Russia, and as a result does see much reason in promoting Russian interests. Their biggest market is the USA - and it is fair to say that the USA gets the most attention out of the Allied nations.

[mikoyan]

I want a MiG-3 for some strange reason.

[Predator666]

The Russians need the following the most:

MG team----I mean common!
Air to Air fighter
Larger AT gun

[Surfer_Sam]

I like the russians. I'm sick of going against def 5/5 infrantry. But my opponents always include them! I just swarm the SOB with Mosin-Nagants or roll in the BEHOMOTH BEAST SU-125!!!

Where russia has its downs, there countered by ups

[Predator666]

I agree with Surfer_Sam. I just swarm my enemies with tons of riflemen and armor. Its more than enough to destroy your enemy.

[Surfer_Sam]

And besides France, Russian are my favorite nation. I am proud to be part-russian

[Predator666]

I have a friend thats part Russian and he loves to play as the Russians. Loves em so much thats all he collects and its hard to get any Russians from him or to hold onto any of my Russians if he wants them and has something I want.

[Soyuzniki]

I totally agree-- Russians need machine gunners, Guards Infantry and Shock Army troops ( 5 on defense), also some REAL Anti-Tank Guns ( 76, 85 or 122mm ), AA guns of course ( 37mm, 76mm ) .. What about Russki Artillery GUNS ( 76,122, 152 )........Lastly, Soviets need tougher planes......... That's all for now............

[malcolm_river]

Tougher planes?

The country's only plane has superior armor 2. This is good enough to stay in the game unless the opponent brings a lit of anti air pieces.

[Cruizin2000]

Tougher planes?

The country's only plane has superior armor 2. This is good enough to stay in the game unless the opponent brings a lit of anti air pieces.

True, but the IL-10 isn't available until 1945. That means that there is 4 years of fighting for the Russians without any aircraft.

C2000

[Richter von Manthofen]

Calm down guys.

if you look at each nation you will see that each one lacks in a way.

No MG. US SU
No Flamethrower SU GE JA UK (infantry i mean9
No cheap transport SU GE UK JA

Russia has a the best selection on medium tanks
T34/xx KV-1 all the new ones...

[Cruizin2000]

Calm down guys.

if you look at each nation you will see that each one lacks in a way.

No MG. US SU
No Flamethrower SU GE JA UK (infantry i mean9
No cheap transport SU GE UK JA

Russia has a the best selection on medium tanks
T34/xx KV-1 all the new ones...

For cheap transports, the British have the Bren/Universal Carrier and the Germans have the Sdkfz 250.

C2000

[Predator666]

I think he ment uber cheap transports such as the US Jeep.

[Krimsonstarr]

I totally agree-- Russians need machine gunners, Guards Infantry and Shock Army troops ( 5 on defense), also some REAL Anti-Tank Guns ( 76, 85 or 122mm ), AA guns of course ( 37mm, 76mm ) .. What about Russki Artillery GUNS ( 76,122, 152 )........Lastly, Soviets need tougher planes......... That's all for now............

The scale of the game really doesn't work for the inclusion of "Russki Artillery GUNS" as these would have been stationed far behind the front line fighting of this game :)

[Kaufschtick]

Tougher planes?

The country's only plane has superior armor 2. This is good enough to stay in the game unless the opponent brings a lit of anti air pieces.

The IL-10 only needs two pieces to shoot at it, each rolling 4 successes, or as happened to me recently, one MG-42 shooting at it twice and getting 4 successes on each shot. It doesn't take much to shoo' away an aircraft. The thing with the Russians is, is that they only have one to choose from, and it's a whopping 21 points, which is alot to invest in a 100 point game. Germany can put air in the game for as little as 14 points, US for 17 points, Britian 15 points and Japan for only 12 points. Don't get me wrong, I really like this game alot and I'm sure that Russia will get more units to choose from. For now, all I'm saying is that the pickin' is a little scarce to non-existant in some areas.

[Kaufschtick]

Calm down guys.

Yes, we should all be having fun here discussing these issues. :D


if you look at each nation you will see that each one lacks in a way.

No MG. US SU


The US has the quad 50 and mounted in a half track as the M16.


No Flamethrower SU GE JA UK (infantry i mean9
No cheap transport SU GE UK JA

Russia has a the best selection on medium tanks
T34/xx KV-1 all the new ones...

One thing I've noticed is that Germany has 6 decent AFV's at 20 points or less. Elite Pnzr IV, Pnzr III, Stug III, Marder II, Hetzer 38(t) and PzKpfw 38(t). That gives the Germans a bunch of choices in a 100 point game. The Russians really needed the Su-76 from the last set and I think really needed the BT-7 and the BA-10M from this set. Prior to that, the little T-70 was the only Russian AFV priced under 26 points!

[FM_Van_Horn]

Hey now Russia does have 6 AFV under 20 pionts.
BA-10, BT-7, Kat, SU-76, T-35, and T-70. What is the best account of "no love" is this.

UK: 30 units 3 planes all with AA and a cool bonus SA, 1 AA gun, and 2 AT guns
USA: 40 units 3 planes all with AA and a cool bonus SA, 1 AA gun with double shot, and 1 AT gun
Germany: 64 units 5 planes 2 with AA 1 with cool bonus SA, 2 AA guns, and 3 AT guns and 1 is a monster with AA too.
Japan: 22 units 2 planes both with AA, no AA gun, 1 AT gun
Russia: 29 units 1 plane without AA, no AA gun, 1 AT gun

[ArmyVet]

I play Russia and have a pretty good size Red Army too. But, I would kill many Germans for a Red Army Paratrooper!! Just my opinion ..... :D