Who is not buying WAS?

[Zar]

Who is not interested in spending money on WAS. I am a land lubber and plan on only investing in the land units. IF they are not integratable then I am not interested

[Krimsonstarr]

I don't think that I will be. I need to see the rest of the rules, but from what I've seen to far I haven't been overly impressed. Need to start saving some $$$ for A&AM Set VI, Tide of Iron, and the Battlelore expansions anyway. So many games, so little time, and so little money!!! :( :)

[Cruizin2000]

I'm with Krimsonstarr. I'll play this with any friends that might buy it but I'm not buying it at all. I have a bad feeling about this game. I'm feeling that it will be too watered down.

I need to save some money for the last 2 sets of A&A minis and for TOI.

I'm staying away from collectible games - period. WizKids should've taught me a lesson. I made this game an exception.

C2000

[Stealth]

I'm still iffy on this one. It 'could' be fun, but A&AM has some glaring deficiencies that WOTC hasn't bothered addressing. That, the collectibility aspect, the lack of local players (even for A&AM) and the most likely level of the rules doesn't give me any great hope. I'd LOVE to like it, but my gut reaction is not good.

[lozmoid]

I'm saying no thanks, Wizards. After the poor quality control issues with A&AM they must be joking if they think I'm buying any WAS. Good luck to those that do...:)

[UnionMan]

Ditto that, lozmoid. WOTC needs to stop calling their board game pieces miniatures. Miniatures implies a higher call to detail and accuracy of scales.

[NorthernRommel]

I'm with Krimsonstarr. I'll play this with any friends that might buy it but I'm not buying it at all. I have a bad feeling about this game.

WizKids should've taught me a lesson. I made this game an exception.
C2000

I hear ya. I cant even give old mageknight away. The local kids look at the pile and turn their nose up :( Hospitals wont take it cause its a "wartoy".

Pffffft.

[Cruizin2000]

I hear ya. I cant even give old mageknight away. The local kids look at the pile and turn their nose up :( Hospitals wont take it cause its a "wartoy".

Pffffft.

Man, I have sooooo many MK figs that it's not even funny. My boys don't even play it anymore and they're the ones that got me into it in the first place.

C2000

[cannonfodder]

That boat is sunk as far as I am concerned. I will not be buying it. Even if I had the loot I wouldn't. What I've seen so far is a slight, and I do mean slight, repackaging of this game. I already own this game. I don't need a knockoff.
So far the people who have chosen to post (admittedly the way the question is phrased is likely to bring in the naysayers like myself) have, for the most part, said no to this game. I hope that the powers that be see this and keep their focus on A+A minis.
I'd hate to see this game fade away as WoTC focusses all of their energy on a new game while only puttering away at the game we have, as customers, all commited too.

[thommieh]

I'm not buying a single model! I barely have enough money to buy a A&AM booster every now and then, let alone something with ships in it... Even though I am dutch and we ruled the oceans not to long ago I'm not into boats in a game..

[DooMNaToR]

I think I may buy a starter and a few boosters to try it. I hope I won't get the same rare ship twice or from the same side.

But as you can see in my signature, I've not completed any AAM set yet, so I'll still prefer to buy more AAM units than WAS.

[Muenchausen]

I'm not sure if I'm supposed to post here. Since I am in disagreement with this thread. I'm in whole heartedly. I'm planning on buying a case of starters and two to three cases of boosters. I know, that makes me an AH lackey, willing to accept BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. So go ahead and hurl your insults if you must. :D I'm betting the models are going to be of excellent quality. The rules are pretty simple at this point. We know very little abput the game and a lot less about the quality of the miniatures. Everything at this point is pure speculation.

I wish ZAR would have allowed us to see who voted and for what catagory. I would have liked to see how many people changede there mind from the pole I posted a couple of months ago.

[Lettische_Scooterist]

I put down 'not buying...' since I'm just not into naval battles. It looks neat and all, but I won't be buying it.

As it is, I've spent so much on AAM stuff that I'm not looking for another wargame.

[Avoll]

Im not buying any either, I got to much wraped up in A&A
although my friend has been waiting for it to come out, and plans to buy some
So I wont be buying any, but I will play it

[General_Blitzkrieg]

Personally, I'd like to see a seperate forum so I don't have to look through all these uninteresting WAS posts.. For the love of God create a WAS forum!!!!

[DooMNaToR]

I'm not sure if I'm supposed to post here. Since I am in disagreement with this thread. I'm in whole heartedly. I'm planning on buying a case of starters and two to three cases of boosters. I know, that makes me an AH lackey, willing to accept BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. So go ahead and hurl your insults if you must. :D I'm betting the models are going to be of excellent quality. The rules are pretty simple at this point. We know very little abput the game and a lot less about the quality of the miniatures. Everything at this point is pure speculation.

I wish ZAR would have allowed us to see who voted and for what catagory. I would have liked to see how many people changede there mind from the pole I posted a couple of months ago.

Yup, the choices available on this poll aren't the best. I didn't totally agree with the choice I've done (second one), as it means that I will buy a starter and a few boosters to try it with a black background "only to see if it's fun"... but in my case, I'll do it because I can't really buy a case and I've not planned to do it. So I won't lie by taking the first choice. However, I hope to get the Yamato, even though I will have less chances. ;)

So Muenchausen, I wish you many fun battles with WAS and I hope you will be able to do some battle like the one on this site (http://www.combinedfleet.com/map.htm).

[Vikingwarrior]

" Even though I am dutch and we ruled the oceans not to long ago I'm not into boats in a game.."

They still do rule the seas. Just not militarily. :D

[118th_MPCo_abn]

If WAS is anything like the Star Wars battle fleet game I will not invest.
Way too static.

[Stealth]

I WANT to like this game, but I think WOTC places too much emphasis on the collectability aspect to make a game 'fun' and simply not enough effort in making a clean, fun, and replayable rules system. The bulk of their effort seems to go into deciding how many ships per booster and what to make common, uncommon, and rare.

Put more work into the rules, adding those critical aspects of naval warfare, and make ships a set one can buy. You want more DDs, buy a DD pack. It works with Heroscape, it could work with this.

[Dreamsbeard]

I WANT to like this game, but I think WOTC places too much emphasis on the collectability aspect to make a game 'fun' and simply not enough effort in making a clean, fun, and replayable rules system. The bulk of their effort seems to go into deciding how many ships per booster and what to make common, uncommon, and rare.

Put more work into the rules, adding those critical aspects of naval warfare, and make ships a set one can buy. You want more DDs, buy a DD pack. It works with Heroscape, it could work with this.

I agree with Stealth, make it a fun game FOR ADULT NOT KIDS!!!!!!!
And I will buy.
Else,count me out.

[Lotus]

I'll buy some, and so I voted even though the title of this thread seemed a little stacked. ;)

My bud Ajax will likely shoulder most of the expense seeing as I bought all the AAM we play w/.

[horacus]

I will maybie buy one or two ships I like, like the Bizmark(spelling??) or the Yamato, if they not cost more than 25dls....

[WinterWarCaptain]

I'll have to pass on this one.

AAM boosters are expensive as it is, and paying the same amount for 50% less units of WAS ... ? They're bigger, sure, but one still wants variety and volume in numbers.

But ... I wonder if the Poll's results would've been more favourable (for WAS, that is) if the question would've been formulated differently: "Who IS going to buy WAS?" As opposed to, "Who is NOT going to buy WAS?"

[DocD]

Surprising results so far.... 50% of folk saying they are going to pass on WAS.

I will buy a few units but I don't plan to invest heavily into the game.
My three reasons for not going all out for WAS is :
1. Sea battles aren't that exciting to me.
2. It would be hard (not impossible) to support another mini game habit. Heroclix and AAM have me pretty much poor as is.
3. I own over 2000 minis.....storage space is becoming a worry!

[shadowhooch]

Hmmm...just wait for the previews to form a solid opinion.
It may swing some votes (maybe either way).

As for now, I plan on trying it. After all, what is WWII without Naval battles?

[zkraut]

Meh, dont really like the theme. Im not much of a naval combat person. I would have liked a dogfight game better, the minis would have been cooler.

[Lotus]

Meh, dont really like the theme. Im not much of a naval combat person. I would have liked a dogfight game better, the minis would have been cooler.

Follow Der Lieter's Battle of Britain rules and you have a dogfight game. I've played it. It's fun.

Hopefully the success (or not) of WaS won't affect AAM. I'm in for the long haul with the ground-based game.

[J.L.Robert]

Despite my love of naval combat (Midway is probably my favorite military campaign of WWII), I'm going to pass on WAS.

Cost is a big issue. I'm not ready to invest as much money as I would like to in order to have the collection large enough to satisfy me.

But more importantly, I'm afraid that the rules will simply not be sufficient to please me. The A&A mechanics of 6-sided dice do not lend itself well to the details and complexity naval combat requires. Also, as a tabletop game involving gunships, every engagement will presume to be a gun battle with ships in visual range, wiping out the advantage of aircraft carriers.

[Kaufschtick]

If the game is good, I'll be on it like white on rice.:D

[Joisey]

I'll wait to hear the reviews on the mini quality. If they are positive, I'll jump into the pool with both feet!

As a genre topic, I LOVE naval strategy games.

[Pasalades]

I'll wait to hear the reviews on the mini quality. If they are positive, I'll jump into the pool with both feet!

As a genre topic, I LOVE naval strategy games.

I think you should give it a shot. I've been reading a lot of speculation on WaS and from where I sit, if you are interested on a naval miniatures games, but are iffy on mini quality, give it a try. Just... trust me. I gotta say my piece on this matter even though I err on keeping quiet on these things.

[Malaky]

I won't be buying it at launch that's for sure. I'll see where they are going with that boat ( hah!) to be sure it doesn't become extinct after two sets. I'll also take note of the quality of the figs... Naval warfare never really has been my thing even though I really love german's U boat and such. Well anyway, I can't really talk in comparison with other naval warfare games because the last one I played was "Pirates!" ( it's reeeeally good! ) and before that it was battleship.

And considering WAS: I'm afraid they might actually end up with the quality of battleship miniatures.

ciao

Malaky

[GijoeNumberOne]

I played a game of Star Wars Battle Fleet and it sucks big time. With everything out in the open, coupled with simultaneous fire, the game ended in 3 turns. Yay. I can only see WaS as being the same, with all the tactics and planning of a game of craps, only with more dice. Count me out. I like board games, not bored games.

[fifleche]

As is, I will probably buy 1-2 BB's, 3-4 HC's, a few DD's & smaller units to simulate "generic" pieces if I do some sea battles.

What stays my hand (in order of importance):

1- Rules look simplistic from what we saw (quick start & perhaps Starship Battles)
2- "fun", i.e. skewing unit combat values/pts costs is stooopid :(
3- Distribution of unit types & rarity to "enhance collectability", i.e. "fun" (I won't go for a "rare T-34" or a "nonexistant US HMG"
4- Scale is on the HUGE side
5- ... which implies less units per booster, thus more money to complete a set, with LESS units

As I learn more from this game, if IMO the major pts are corrected, I -might- get into it. Pts 1 & 2 are critical to this.

[Cpt. John Miller]

Can't afford another collectable game, I'm in at least $600 for AAM already and I still need more russian armor.:rolleyes:

[carson]

Even though navel battles aren't really my thing I'll be buying 1 starter and 3 boosters and give it a try.

But after seeing both the quality and game mechanics of the Star wars ship game.....Plus the rather simplistic quick start rules for WaS.....:(
Let's just say that I have zero confidance in their ability to pull off a decent WWII ship game.
But who knows, they might surprise me. I've been wrong before.

[Zeus[BTY]]

I'm not into the whole naval thing, so I'd rather invest in games like TOI which seem interesting.

Furthermore, like many I read here, even if I DID like naval battles, I won't buy anything new from WotC right now because of the way they handled (well, DIDN'T handle) the issues with AAM. Quality issues, not listening to customers, very weak support these last few months etc etc.

I will continue with AAM, as stopping now would only leave me with an unfinished collection. If by the time they quit bringing out sets I feel there aren't any important units missing, I *might* buy something WotC later on; if any important units ARE missing, WotC will never see me again.

[Cruizin2000]

There's just something wrong about a naval game that doesn't make use of the facings of the ships. That's just plain wrong. I'll stick with General Quarters and North Cape.

C2000

[boersma8]

I'm with Krimsonstarr. I'll play this with any friends that might buy it but I'm not buying it at all.

I need to save some money for the last 2 sets of A&A minis and for TOI.

C2000

What he said, although I hope there'll be more than two sets still of A&AM as we know it.....I'm not rich enough to collect more than one collectible game and besides I'm less interested in sea warfare. A third point is still that having read the rules, It seems very similar to the land version of AAM, only the models are really different........I'm definately also buying ToI and I also still want to buy Europe engulfed. Maybe one day I'll even buy Struggle for Europe and Asia........

[Sheppard1972]

Not interested, not interested, not interested. I will not buy any of WaS as I have no interested in this game. I love A&AM and so do my friends that I have brought the game to. I think it is a crime that WotC does not view the feed back from this community and see that this is a great product that people love and that they should support it for at least 2 more sets. I do not like the idea that WotC would think about WaS as a possible replacement for this great game. If that is their thinking I am not interested in their product. LONG LIVE AXIS AND ALLIES MINIATURES!!!!!

[shadowhooch]

There's just something wrong about a naval game that doesn't make use of the facings of the ships. That's just plain wrong. I'll stick with General Quarters and North Cape.

C2000

I can't believe that facing won't matter in this game. Is that for real?

That would be a step backward from the AAM rules. Facing is HUGE and is one of the MAIN strategies of Naval Warfare. Afterall, how can the rear facing cannons on a Battleship fire forward? Historically, entire formations were devised to try to maximize facing and get the most guns firing on a target as possible.

Your comment disturbs me if it is true. But I'll refrain from judging until I see all the rules.