1939 - Poland Vs. GE options?

[frogczar]

I've been trying to collect a 100 point Polish force and I'm finding it rather difficult. It's not possible to play a purely polish force within 100 points without playing like 9 or 10 of the 7TPdw, which is ridiculous.

So does anyone have suggestions for fielding a 15 unit Polish force in some sort of scenario that involves about 50 points of troops?

Thanks,

Frogczar

[FlyingDutchman]

A typical tan unit would have a mix amf MG and gun tanks, ie. 7TPDW and T-26 tanks. In addition, the Poles used the R-35 tanks. These additional units should give you enough variation for a 100% Polish army.:)

[Qmark]

Umm... Here's something I just made up, which probably sucks:

4x Calvarymen (16)
4x Determined Infantry (16)
6x Polish Mauser (18)
14 units, 50 points.

[Vikingwarrior]

here are some other units the Poles used:

Shermans
Bofors
6 pounders
17 pounders
Jeeps
Universal carriers
light mortar
M5 Half Track
Humber
Vickers
Piat
Hawker Typhoon

In AAM they are not polish however they are all available for the Poles to use and it would be historical.

[mdescalzo]

In AAM they are not polish however they are all available for the Poles to use and it would be historical.

...not for 1939, however.

Throw in the T-26 to act as a 7TPjw (how WotC doesn't have this is beyond me), the Vickers MG, and the Hungarian 37mm ATG to act as a 37mm Bofors and I think you could make a respectable Polish force.

You could arguably even use a Chi-Ro pretending to be a TKS. Well, you'd have to lower it's attack dice number a bit first. That, or use a Te-Ke and swap the ATV and ATI numbers around.

[Richter von Manthofen]

I'd go and allow 6-pounders, Vickers MG teams and the Bofors.

T-26 seems ok with alittle price increase (by 2) and get rid of its silly negative SA. and the Renault might be a good option.

[frogczar]

Thanks for the alternative unit suggestions. Let me clarify that I'm trying to use purely the 4 existing polish units they have released so far for AAM in this theoretical scenario.

So would it be fair to have th GE force also consist of 50 points in the "pure" Polish Vs. GE scenario? I'm restricting to 50 points to try and stay within the "15 unit limit".

Historically, Germany outnumbered the poor poles pretty badly, does this mean the Germans should always get some amount of additional points in this early war scenario? For example, GE 75 points to Polish 50 points?

That seems like a losing fight from the very beginning.

Thanks,

Frogczar

[thommieh]

That seems like a losing fight from the very beginning.

That depends on what you field for the germans. You could give the germans 20 points or so in airplanes on top of the 50 points in ground troops. The Luftwaffe caused quite some havoc over Poland.

[mdescalzo]

Thanks for the alternative unit suggestions. Let me clarify that I'm trying to use purely the 4 existing polish units they have released so far for AAM in this theoretical scenario.

That's an admirable goal, but WotC has done a poor job of modeling the anti-tank capabilities the Poles had in 1939. Without some added ATG units, Poland isn't properly represented at all.

[FSSF]

In a defense scenario (80 pts.) you could try something like that:
3 x 7TPdw (24 pts.)
6 x Determined Infantrymen (24 pts.)
4 x Cavalrymen (16 pts.)
1 x Ammo Dump (10 pts.)
1 x Fuel Depot (6 pts.)
15 units for 80 points.

[Richter von Manthofen]

Or simply drop the 15 unit limit.

With the existing polish units you can't build a "good" Polish army.

[fifleche]

Give them the russian ATRifle, as the poles had a very advanced (for 1939) ATRifle in their army.

[Surfer_Sam]

I played a German vs Poland game, where the Poles almost won. I gave them the Japanese At rifles which were very efficient.

[Rick]

Hummm, in addition to using the Polish units already provided, try using the Soviet ATR [or the Japanese one would be excellent too] the 'Chinese' tank [T-26, with no SA] and the Romanian AT or the British 6 pounder AT and the British Vickers MG to represent the Poles in 1939 and you should be able to come up with a very nice and reasonablly historically accurate army.

As for force balance and composition, if you use the Assault senerio rules, where there is a ratio of 2 to 3, and where the defender picks the objective hex, and the Poles will give a very strong fight. Or as an alternative, try this, same ratio of 2 to 3 but require the Germans to be able to exit a % of their force off the opposite edge from where they entered, while at the same time requiring them to reduce the Polish force by half (or one third, or two thirds) based on the total point value of the force picked. That ought to bring the game up a notch or two!

[wkko]

I think it is always good to combined Poland with some support of UK, like MGT and ATG e.g. 16-pounders

[beagle1]

First of all I'd like to say hello to everybody.

First post on this boards,although I've been following this community for a while.

As to the post; when we play with minor nations we usually stick to 50pts forces.
My [current]favorite Polish one is:
-6x Mauser
-2x Cavalry
-3x 7TPdw

With 11 units on the field the Germans ussually have a hard time killing the lot.
And I've had a couple of games in which I was lucky enough to kill any German unit around the objective at the end of turn 7.
German units that give the most problems are:
-Elite PzIVD
-81mm mortar
-SS-Haupsturmfurher[because the 3+ initiative and the remove disrupted counters SA's]

Cheers B1