Historical placements

[Frog]

I have read at times about what ships were really where at the time AA takes place. I have found some info in books and web sites, but am trying to find one place that may conatin naval/air/and troop numbers and placements during the war.

Does anybody have a good suggestion?

[Drax Kramer]

You'll find no better place than this:

http://www.orbat.com/site/ww2/drleo/600_pto/41-12-07_pacific.htm

Drax

[Frog]

Great site, thanks. Here's another question.

I see the listing of units, but not numbers.

Example- Dec 7 1941 Japan had 3,245 fighter planes, 678 bomber planes, They were located.......

It would help with the site you gave if I knew how many men were in a unit, or how many tanks in a division. I'm sure each country had different amounts.

[Drax Kramer]

Originally posted by Frog:

I see the listing of units, but not numbers.

If you try this URL, you may reach some TO&Es:

http://www.orbat.com/site/ww2/drleo/000_admin/000oob.htm

[quote]Example- Dec 7 1941 Japan had 3,245 fighter planes, 678 bomber planes, They were located...

It would help with the site you gave if I knew how many men were in a unit, or how many tanks in a division. I'm sure each country had different amounts.It depends upon the way you want to use these figures. One way is to get the total number of men, decide how many men each infantry unit is going to represent and deploy the pieces. Repeat the same process with tanks, fighters, carriers etc.

Another aspect is to recognise that infantry does not fight separately from artillery or armor and establish what unit is going to represent what.

For A&A:P infantry piece should stand for a division (10 to 15 thousands of men with attached artillery, engineers, etc).

Artillery unit also stands for a division, but with an Corps (for Allies) or Army (for Japanese) HQ and units attached.

Since there were no armoured divisions anywhere in the Pacific on December 1941 and few Japanese ones that were raised in 1942 never engaged Allies in the divisional strength, an armoured unit should represent an infantry division with attached tanks. Examples are Japanese divisions sent to invade Malaya (25th Army) or British armoured brigades attached to Indian divisions in Burma.

Two years ago I designed a changed setup for A&A:P using exclusively this site and was more than satisfied with the results.

Drax

[Frog]

"Two years ago I designed a changed setup for A&A:P using exclusively this site and was more than satisfied with the results."

Drax

Would you be willing to share your set up?? I'm not above using "others" ideas.

Frog

[Drax Kramer]

I attached an Excel file with the placements I used few years ago. The text used is in Croatian, so if you need any assistance, be free to ask me.

Drax

[Lobo]

Great website. I'm glad there are other enthusiasts interested in military history and historical OOB.

[Phate]

one good general source is the "Atlas of World War II" by R. Natkiel published by Bison in '85. It covers both European and Pacific campains in fair detail with diagrams of most major engagements.

[elbowmaster]

nice information drax, good work as well...


-cheers

-elbowmaster