Gloster Meteor/ME262

[A&Aaddict]

What do people think of these peices.
I recently bought an ME262 and traded for a Meteor and was wondering if anyone had any comments on either

[Cpt. John Miller]

the best (me262)
and possibly the worst (meteor)
planes in the game.;)

[world war III]

ME 262 is better.

[fifleche]

Meteor is bad. Me 262 is good at one thing, and one thing only: clearing the skies of enemy aircraft. But it does an EXCELLENT job at that. You can usually tackle twice your numbers with this one, and still be able to come out on top! Yes, it's ground attacks are nice, but because it can't fire in most types of cover, I've had whole games where my Me-262 didn't fire a SINGLE shot all game :eek:

[Volorkey]

Does anyone know why the 262 has a 1943 year restriction? All the sources I've seen seem to state it saw combat in 44-45.
And then there is the metor. The card says it was the only allied jet to see combat. What it does not state is that it only saw combat agianst v-1 flying bombs. Seeing it fight a 262 (or any other aircraft) is a nice idea but it never happened. The British were afraid of it's wreckage being captured if shot down over hostile territory.

[Tom_Weasle]

Does anyone know why the 262 has a 1943 year restriction? All the sources I've seen seem to state it saw combat in 44-45.
And then there is the metor. The card says it was the only allied jet to see combat. What it does not state is that it only saw combat agianst v-1 flying bombs. Seeing it fight a 262 (or any other aircraft) is a nice idea but it never happened. The British were afraid of it's wreckage being captured if shot down over hostile territory.

Well if you want, don't play your game so that a ME 262 and Meteor have the opportunity to meet. You can play this game historically or, well, not historically.

[Tom_Weasle]

What do people think of these peices.
I recently bought an ME262 and traded for a Meteor and was wondering if anyone had any comments on either

Dude, not a Me262 for a Meteor. Try get it back. Tell the person you were having a bad crack day... or something... just get it back.

Me262 and the Stuka. The only two good planes in this game, AFAIC.

[PercyHobart]

Guys, I appreciate you having opinions about the relative merits of the Me262 over the Meteor but saying one is bad and not validating the statement sounds more like fanboy talk than a valid opinion.

I'm interested in hearing your reasons why you believe the Meteor's not as good as the Me262 in-game, or why you believe the Meteor to be a waste of space, period.

If all that gets posted is nothing more than Me262 = Good, Meteor = Bad (and vice versa) don't you think that the thread becomes a waste of time & space?

Respect...

Steve

[Colonel_Coo]

Dude, not a Me262 for a Meteor. Try get it back. Tell the person you were having a bad crack day... or something... just get it back.

Me262 and the Stuka. The only two good planes in this game, AFAIC.

The Hurricane is quite capable and so is the Corsair.

Man to man, the Cosair stacks up well against all aircraft.

[Colonel_Coo]

Guys, I appreciate you having opinions about the relative merits of the Me262 over the Meteor but saying one is bad and not validating the statement sounds more like fanboy talk than a valid opinion.

I'm interested in hearing your reasons why you believe the Meteor's not as good as the Me262 in-game, or why you believe the Meteor to be a waste of space, period.

If all that gets posted is nothing more than Me262 = Good, Meteor = Bad (and vice versa) don't you think that the thread becomes a waste of time & space?

Respect...

Steve
The early Meteors (ie the war years) used an inferior jet engine. Consequently, they were about 100mph slower than the ME 262. Since they were fast(er than most English prop jobbers) they would intercept doodle bugs and the V2. They did this roll quite well. It was a very important roll.

Therefore, the ME 262 is better: it was designed to shoot down piloted aircraft. Had it not been hamstrung as a fighter/bomber, it would be even more impressive.

[PercyHobart]

The early Meteors (ie the war years) used an inferior jet engine. Consequently, they were about 100mph slower than the ME 262. Since they were fast(er than most English prop jobbers) they would intercept doodle bugs and the V2. They did this roll quite well. It was a very important roll.

Therefore, the ME 262 is better: it was designed to shoot down piloted aircraft. Had it not been hamstrung as a fighter/bomber, it would be even more impressive.

Cheers mate!
No mind-reading necessary with your answer!

- That's good historical reasoning but what's the deal in-game?
Are we comparing in the same way we would with say the Sherman "Easy Eight" to the Chi-Nu, or what?
In terms of their respective forces, formidible but when stacked up against each other, a different story?

A slightly-OT question now - didn't the jets also have a higher operating ceiling than the prop-driven aircraft, so the "Flying Bomb" intercepts could be actioned sooner from an altitude respect also?
My dodgy memory suggest that I read that altitude was a 'failing' with the Spits (and the Tempest/Typhoons?) sent up against the buzz-bombs as interceptors...

Steve

[dictator_wanna_be]

why would we ask this lol ;)

[Tom_Weasle]

I like the ME 262 for its defense and the Stuka for nailing stray vehicles. I don't like the Meteor because, well, it just doesn't seem to have a purpose.

[horacus]

The Me262 is better. For two points you get a 5/5 defense unit, and better AI/AT dice.

[FSSF]

The ME 262 is a beast among aircrafts of A&AM!
The only plane with 5/5 defense!

You all know how it is hard for most unit to take out 5/5 soldiers?
Imagine if you they are further penalized with a -1 on all dices and you get how hard it is for unit without 'Antiair' to hit a ME 262.

The best bet to counter 5/5 elite soldiers is with mortars and/or units with Bombardment. But both types of units can't target planes!

That leaves you with Antiair unit: AA guns and planes.
Again ME 262, with the 'Jet' SA, the 5/5 defense and impressive 10/7/0 attack numbers vs Soldiers/Aircrafts will have the advantage over other planes.

So AA-Guns are about the only thing that can be a menace to a ME 262.

'Jet' is a good thing, and a bad one. The purpose of a plane is often to take out snipers, mortars and support units that will almost always be under cover. That limits the usefulness of the Me 262 a bit.

I still like it for it's vulture-like menacing quality. Any soldier unit has to think twice before coming out on the open with a ME 262 waiting for it's chance. Even light tanks with low defense, halftracks and jeeps are not safe in the open.

Like Tom Weasle has rightly said :) , the Gloster Meteor lacks a purpose.
It's not as solid as the Me 262, less punch vs soldiers/aircraft. The ME262 is well worth the 2 more points it cost over it. Also, UK has a better and more versatile plane in the Hawker Typhoon and the cheaper Supermarine Spitfire( :mad: ) with it's Agility can fill the aircraft-hunter role.

[Colonel_Coo]

For the war: The meteor was fast enough in climb and high enough in ceiling to reach the V weapons. I believe (but could be wrong) that the Meteor's time to intercept was cruically better than the prop planes.

For the game: most people don't like relying on "luck" to make a unit useful. The Meteor enjoys the same "sixes" count double for being a Jet plane, but its overall top speed prevent it from gaining the crucial +1 defense.
Since the RAF has a AirSupFighter that can throw 8 dice at range 2, most people prefer it over the Meteor.

The German hero enjoys the same "sixes count double" but again it is its 5 defense that makes it a stand-out!
The luck factor is nice, but the 5 defense is key.

What the allies really need is a "throw away" fighter. Drop it adjacnet to a ME-262 and then after DefFire drop the Meteor next to the ME-262. The loss is a ME-262 and whatever the 262 shoots at. End result is a living Allied plane and a dead Me-262.

[world war III]

i picked Gloster Meteor:rolleyes:

[PercyHobart]

Quality stuff guys!

No doubts now about the game strengths/weaknesses of each aircraft.

As in actual combat, it seems the 262 is great to have on your side, which I would imagine makes it 'cheese' to some of your opponents unless they have a sound strategy for defeating it :D ... pity you can't replicate the historical practice of shooting 262s down as they land (why does this game not have P-47 Thunderbolts? ;) )

From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_Meteor)
On 20 January 1945, four Meteors were moved to Melsbrook in Belgium. In March, the entire squadron was moved to Gilze-Rijen and, then in April, to Nijmegen. The Meteors flew armed reconnaissance and ground attack operations without encountering any German jet fighters. By late April, the squadron was based at Faßberg, Germany and suffered its first losses when two pilots collided in poor visibility. The war ended with the Meteors having destroyed 46 German aircraft through ground attack and having faced more problems through misidentification as the Me 262 by Allied aircraft and flak than from the Luftwaffe.

... so despite having invasion markings painted under the wings, it suffered from 'friendly fire' because, it would seem, it was fast and had two wing mounted engines...

[Colonel_Coo]

Quality stuff guys!

No doubts now about the game strengths/weaknesses of each aircraft.

As in actual combat, it seems the 262 is great to have on your side, which I would imagine makes it 'cheese' to some of your opponents unless they have a sound strategy for defeating it :D ... pity you can't replicate the historical practice of shooting 262s down as they land (why does this game not have P-47 Thunderbolts? ;) )

Repeat after me:
My army will have a Bofors,
My army will have a Bofors,
The Bofors is my friend
The Bofors is my friend

The bofors has great range
The bofors kills SS PGs at long range
The bofors can kill light tanks

The bofors is cheap.

My army will have a bofors,
My army will have a bofors,

[Predator666]

I love the 262. Its a great fighter and perfect for picking troops out of the open or parked on a hill.

The negatives are bad sometimes though. In a larger game I had an ammo dump in a forest objective in the back. The enemy had two long range units, a Me-110 and a 262. Because of an oversite the only plane that would have taken out the ammo dump was shot down the first turn it was brought in. The 262 several turns later by many shots from Russian infantry.

But units in the open or planes fall prey to this beast very easily. Even some of the best planes don't stand a chance. Oh, and I had a Meteor face off against a 262. It was torn apart and didn't even manage a disruption in return.