What IJN units do you want to see next?

[MarcusAurelius]

What are the Japanese units that you'd most like to see in the next set of War at Sea? Obviously, this poll can't include every option. But hopefully these choices hit most of the big ones.

Select up to 3. If you don't see your favorite unit here, specify below.

[Hum_35711]

ships needed for the battle of midway.

[Joisey]

Soryu was at Pearl and Midway right? Nuff said.

[TheCygnysGuardian]

Fubuki class destroyers.

[MarcusAurelius]

The aircraft carriers present at the Battle of Midway for the U.S. were Enterprise, Hornet and Yorktown (all from the Yorktown class). The Japanese force included Hiryu and Soryu of the Soryu class, plus Akagi and Kaga.

Just from Set 1, you can conceivably represent 4 of those 7 carriers. (Which is not to say that 3 Enterprise miniatures will be easy to come by.) There's a good chance that the next set will cover the remaining 3.

Then there's the issue of all the support ships. Have you ever looked up the order of battle for Midway? On the American side, you have 7 heavy cruisers, 1 light cruiser and 15 destroyers. Japan brought along 7 battleships, 10 heavy cruisers, 4 light cruisers and 41 destroyers. And that doesn't even count submarines, torpedo boats, sub chasers, minesweepers, transports, oilers, etc.

Midway is at the top of scenarios I want to do. I'm just not sure how.

[MarcusAurelius]

Fubuki class destroyers.

That's a nice choice, as well.

Japan fielded almost as many different destroyer classes during WWII as the U.S. and Britain. Seven classes (Minekaze, Mutsuki, Fubuki, Shratsuyu, Asashio, Kagero and Yugumo) fought at Midway alone.

[XAos]

Mogami would be nice, so long as it doesn't have an expensive special ability like the two current japanese CA's (scouting & Flag-1)

[Cruizin2000]

As they were all one ship classes: Hiryu, Soryu, and Kaga. Shoho and Zuikaku would solve some problems and offer several different battles. Ooops, we need the Lexington and Yorktown too.

C2000

[Richter von Manthofen]

All that and more ;)

[Joisey]

The aircraft carriers present at the Battle of Midway for the U.S. were Enterprise, Hornet and Yorktown (all from the Yorktown class). The Japanese force included Hiryu and Soryu of the Soryu class, plus Akagi and Kaga.

Just from Set 1, you can conceivably represent 4 of those 7 carriers. (Which is not to say that 3 Enterprise miniatures will be easy to come by.) There's a good chance that the next set will cover the remaining 3.

Then there's the issue of all the support ships. Have you ever looked up the order of battle for Midway? On the American side, you have 7 heavy cruisers, 1 light cruiser and 15 destroyers. Japan brought along 7 battleships, 10 heavy cruisers, 4 light cruisers and 41 destroyers. And that doesn't even count submarines, torpedo boats, sub chasers, minesweepers, transports, oilers, etc.

Midway is at the top of scenarios I want to do. I'm just not sure how.

Just declare any missing surface support ships are providing "distant cover" and not in the immediate tactical zone.

[TheJudge]

Midway will be next to impossible to do accurately if you really want to get into it. You have the main force with battleships galore, the invasion force with transports, cruisers and destroyers, you got the Aleutians decoy force with cruisers, destroyers, and light carriers, and of course the Carrier Striking Force. Over 200 ships! That would be one hell of a scenario! I for one would be up for that but we likely might need 6 or 7 peeps to combine all of their ships! Unless you are a crack head and insist on owning all of them yourself. ;)

[swarbs]

I think Ise, both before and after conversion would be a great addition. Wouldn't a war plan Orange scenario be great, early war Japanese and US battleships slugging it out? Then, it will be interesting to see what kind of stats the converted ship will have, maybe something like Scout Cruiser, maybe something like Decoy: every turn choose an enemy aircraft attacking a friendly ship and redirect that attack on the Ise. Just like what Halsey fell for.

[Autarch]

I think the Ise would make for an interesting double threat in this game (unlike in real life). Soryu is a must for Midway, Pearl Harbor, Indian Ocean, Australia and Java Sea. I agree with XAos and hope Mogami will be a straight up cruiser without any cost heavy SAs. I'd also like to see the Oi or Kitakami but without some SA to keep them alive until torpedo firing phase they will get blown out of the water by any allied admiral with half a clue.

[Commissar]

I voted Soryu, Mogami and Hiyo. The last was a tough choice I suppose because there is a lot of vital stuff on that list.

[Yankee_Dynasty]

The torpedo boats at pearl harbor.

[TheJudge]

Huh? Torpedo boats at Pearl Harbor?

Would that be the silly, useless 2 man midget subs you are referring to?

[TheJudge]

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor????

[MarcusAurelius]

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor????

Anytime you can work in that quote is a good one.

[Belisarius]

Anytime you can work in that quote is a good one.

We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.

Meanwhile, back on topic (more or less): I think Yankee-Dynasty is referring to the Japanese midget subs used at Pearl Harbor.

[Joisey]

Better cheese it before the Mod puts us on double secret probation! :D

[Yankee_Dynasty]

Huh? Torpedo boats at Pearl Harbor?

Would that be the silly, useless 2 man midget subs you are referring to?

Yes, i think they would be fun. Like a very fast yet fragile boat that has one shot, could be cool.

[BasicBob]

This is a interesting vote as Set II becomes very important for the IJN spots ( the total number of spots and whats choosen for those spots.) My vote for the top three are the Soryu, Mogami and Akizuki classes. I must mention that what was not there to vote on such as the Furutaka class CAs, the Tenryu class CLs and the Yagumo and Fubuki class DDs IMHO are just as important to include for historical completeness. But yes I know "historical completeness" is a long way off.

As far as the IJN BB classes go I don't believe that the Fuso, Ise and Nagato classes are as important ( in terms of what I want to see next) as the CA and CL classes I mentioned and those in the poll. The IJN CAs to my mind were much more active which translates into more interesting scenarios for me to game.

[XAos]

As they were all one ship classes: Hiryu, Soryu, and Kaga.

While Hiryu & Soryu were nominally the same class.
Hiryu had it's superstructure (bridge) on the port side of the flightdeck & Soryu had the bridge on the starboard side. So we really want two seperate models for these ships. If we only get one, I'd prefer Hiryu, since it's the only major carrier ever built with the bridge to Port.

[Stealth]

While Hiryu & Soryu were nominally the same class.
Hiryu had it's superstructure (bridge) on the port side of the flightdeck & Soryu had the bridge on the starboard side. So we really want two seperate models for these ships. If we only get one, I'd prefer Hiryu, since it's the only major carrier ever built with the bridge to Port.

Not quite. Akagi also had that distinction.

[Rokossovsky]

I'm for the Mogami/Mikuma class heavy cruisers being produced next, by the way.

[Thalan]

".....it was a beautiful sunday morning. Just then I see the Bismarck sailing into Pearl Harbour without so much as a by-your-leave!! Then it proceeds to start blowing stuff up!! Well needless to say I was a bit confused......"


Excerpt from my new book, Germany's Pacific Fleet.


(oh well it was fun to write)

I know this is a IJN thread but it applies to all factions as well. The issue with most ships is that for the most part they resemble each other. They may have different stats that may or may not change the info on the card but for the most part they look close enough alike that it may not be necessary to make new models but just the cards. Then use what models already excist to fill out your fleet. But just my opinion.

But what I would like to see not just in the IJN but with others as well in a second set is an aircraft set. Planes, both carrier and land based, on all sides. Not all but some of the more famous one and even some of the not so famous ones. Planes from the early, mid and late war periods would be very cool. That way you can, or should, be able to mix and match and cover any possible scenario.

Anyway, I like the idea.

[Greyghost]

Polls closed already?

Ah well, would have voted for the Nagato, ain't she pretty?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:BattleshipNagato.jpg

Anyhow, second goes for the Mogami class but cruisers haven't gotten much love in the first set so I went for the Battleship. Hopefully the next set will have cruisers (especially IJN) with appropriate costs.

Just curious, why wasn't the Kaga listed on this poll?

[Diamondback]

As they were all one ship classes: Hiryu, Soryu, and Kaga.
Not quite, there were several repeat Hiryus with downgraded machinery (IIRC the Unryu-class, 3 completed, a few more started).

[TheJudge]

Whatever IJN units they make next, I darn sure hope they can deal with a Wildcat! ;)

[gcrutch]

Hope to see the Kaga.

[Scharnhorst]

LOL, to both Joisey and The Judge. Well played.

[Battlemage15]

In Set 3, I would like to see the MXY-7 Ohka (aka, the Baka Bomb). Have it only capable of being *launched* from a sector containing a Betty at a target up to a square away (like the Frtiz-X on the Kondor). Baiscally, after the aircraft are palce, the Ohka can be placed in any square containing or next to one with a Betty, then begin the AA phase.

It should have some ungodly armor value (freaking rocket plane) and an incredible, one use (obviously) attack that would make a battleship proud to call a similar number their main gun value at close range.

[MarcusAurelius]

Polls closed already?

Ah well, would have voted for the Nagato, ain't she pretty?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:BattleshipNagato.jpg

Anyhow, second goes for the Mogami class but cruisers haven't gotten much love in the first set so I went for the Battleship. Hopefully the next set will have cruisers (especially IJN) with appropriate costs.

Just curious, why wasn't the Kaga listed on this poll?

With so many IJN ships available, 10 poll options just isn't enough to list them all. Not even close.

At the time this poll was first posted several months ago, I thought leaving it open for a week would suffice. If there's still interest in voicing opinions, it would be easy enough to recreate the poll. Might even be interesting to see if opinions have shifted at all.

[shyft87]

..i saw fubuki's mentioned and my blood warmed up:
as a player of navyfield, i have a built in hatred of fubuki's, kuma-kai's, kita's, and there's another one...i forget the name, but its a TW none the less...

otherwise, i'd go mogami, ise and oyodo :)

[Diamondback]

Yeah, I'm an old DOS Silent Hunter player, and Fubukis were the bane of my existence then. (Even though I once slipped past 'em to torpedo a Yamato at Truk--don't ask me what it was doin' there, it was just the biggest target I saw... besides, potentially sacrificing a sub to kill a capship's a more-than-fair trade...)