Help with starting, or talking out of it?

[Greenosaur]

[b][i][color=green]Hello All!

This will be a wierd post for probably most of you to answer. I am considering getting into A&AM. My son, neiphew, and I are all BIG gamers. We started out with my old D&D and have made our way through A&A, Risk, Tide of Iron, Star Wars, Pirates, Magic (sold that crap), ect...ect.
I digress, we recently seen the 1939-1945 starter set. So i wanted to do some research before anything was purchased. I checked out the local gaming community, seems to be ok... Then went looking at product, to discover about 3 shops will no longer be carrying it. One shop had a bunch of the older sets, but one older gentlmen bought it all. Which then i turned to the internet, where I have spent prolly the last few hours reading about how 90% of you are unhappy cause the newer stuff is out of scale with the older. SO, if you guys were me, would you just buy new stuff? Or look for a deal on someones set of the older stuff? Or back away completely? i will say, i checked out FOW, dont like how the soldiers look...

Thanks in Advance!

[polish_horsy]

I would wait until you see a consistent product you can be happy with. Honestly... it may be 2009 before you can say with any certainty that a quality product has been produced or not. Perhaps 2010.

Doing it any other way is a crapshoot with Wotc. You really have no way of knowing... they could pull the plug tomorrow and all the "new" stuff will be just as unfinished of a game as the "old" stuff.

[Bobsalt]

[b][i][color=green]Hello All!

This will be a wierd post for probably most of you to answer. I am considering getting into A&AM. My son, neiphew, and I are all BIG gamers. We started out with my old D&D and have made our way through A&A, Risk, Tide of Iron, Star Wars, Pirates, Magic (sold that crap), ect...ect.
I digress, we recently seen the 1939-1945 starter set. So i wanted to do some research before anything was purchased. I checked out the local gaming community, seems to be ok... Then went looking at product, to discover about 3 shops will no longer be carrying it. One shop had a bunch of the older sets, but one older gentlmen bought it all. Which then i turned to the internet, where I have spent prolly the last few hours reading about how 90% of you are unhappy cause the newer stuff is out of scale with the older. SO, if you guys were me, would you just buy new stuff? Or look for a deal on someones set of the older stuff? Or back away completely? i will say, i checked out FOW, dont like how the soldiers look...

Thanks in Advance!
Basically you have two choices.

Since WotC is going with a new scale from this point forward, the prices of the old stuff will probably drop considerably. I’ve already seen cases of the soon-to-be old sets going for $50-$60 each on eBay. If you want to get into the game cheap, and don’t mind that there will be no new stuff released at that scale going forward, this is a possible choice for you. Maybe buy 1 case of Set 1 and 1 starter set and see if you like it or not. If you do, you can decide from there which way to go; if not, you’re only out maybe $75.

If you want to have new stuff going forward, you’re better off waiting for the new scale to come out. Of course, they will be more expensive than the old stuff.

Whichever way you go, you should try to buy by the case; this gives you the best chance at getting a good mix of units.

Also, you need to know that the unit costs of the old sets were deliberately skewed by WotC in order to try to manipulate sales. WotC hasn’t answered our questions as to whether they will continue to do this with the new sets. If you are historically-minded or want your games to be balanced, I would suggest using the HHR rules and downloadable unit cards (link is in my sig). Using the official rules you will find yourself locked into pretty much using the same builds every game if you want a chance to win.

I’ll close by saying that I’m prejudiced because I’m both a historical gamer and I’m on the HHR Committee. I absolutely would not play this game without HHR, and would have dumped it completely after Set III for many reasons. With HHR I’ve gotten a lot of enjoyment from the game.

[polish_horsy]

Another good choice is the starter set which contains 1 box of set I and 1 box of set II. You can get them for $15 or less. Or simply try to buy extra minis off somebody like me who is not pleased with the game and has extra to sell at a reasonable price.

[shadowhooch]

I say wait and see. As good as AAM is (and it IS an excellent game), there is no use in buying the older stuff if the newer stuff is better (rulewise and figurewise).

[Colonel_Coo]

All the changes that are coming really boil down to this:

The Vehicles are to have a CONSISTANT 15mm scale. Previously, the scale was smaller and was not a match to the soldiers. Now soldeirs and vechicles will match scale. Planes are still their own wonky scale.

Me personnally, I look forward to the change.

I would buy a case of Set1. It has the best infantry in the game and some useful vehicles as well. It also contains the dreaded SS Panzergrenadier. The single best soldier in the game. The next best is the US Ranger from Reserves.

Buy a starter for the standard 2 unit per hex map offered. The newer maps will be larger and a different unit count.

Planes are generally weak. I would wait to see what happens in the new EXPERT/EXPANDED rule set due out in the next week or two.

[Pasalades]

Wait for October to come around and buy the new minis. If you are starting out you should start from there.

[polish_horsy]

In the end though I would suggest to anyone that they consider not supporting a company that is as disrespectful to its customers as Wotc is. If there is a competitor that has a product which suits your needs I would get that.

[shadowhooch]

In the end though I would suggest to anyone that they consider not supporting a company that is as disrespectful to its customers as Wotc is. If there is a competitor that has a product which suits your needs I would get that.

Actually, I've been very pleased with the support so far. Sure, they nerfed some things. But that happens in every game.

They've done a lot of things for free to support us:
Provide scenarios
Provide the online campaign
At least listen to our input (even if it isn't always taken)
Be there for rules support
Provided erratas to fix certain aspects of the game

It's too early to tell whether this new release is a "screw job" on the older players. You can't jump to that conclusion until we have all the facts on this release.;)

[Jesse_James]

I say wait and see. As good as AAM is (and it IS an excellent game), there is no use in buying the older stuff if the newer stuff is better (rulewise and figurewise).

What this guy said.

I may pull back into the land base game depending onhow things turn out.

If not more money for ships, movies, and music. (and some video games)

[boersma8]

I say wait and see. As good as AAM is (and it IS an excellent game), there is no use in buying the older stuff if the newer stuff is better (rulewise and figurewise).

I agree with this too! Be glad you haven't already invested heavily into this game.....

[Vinius]

I'm also in the agreement that you're better off waiting. I just got in about 3 months ago and now wish I had known about the scale change. It's a great game! But, I'd suggest waiting until the scale change is more clear before buying your pieces.

[MajorMatch]

I truely enjoy the game, with or with out house rules. I would say at least pick up the Starter Set 2 (maybe 2 of them) try it out. Then figure out if you like the game and want to buy set 1-5 or wait for AAM 2.0 the scale up.

[Greenosaur]

In the end though I would suggest to anyone that they consider not supporting a company that is as disrespectful to its customers as Wotc is. If there is a competitor that has a product which suits your needs I would get that.

I thought about going another way, to another game. But i havent found much out there that looks good. FOW looks good till you get to the soldiers. I just dont like how they look. We are also looking for a game that has some sort of community for. We recently sold off all of our Magic the Gathering cards because the community for it has gotten really rediculous. We dont see paying $100 a card or w/e. THis game still seems as if the average player can purchase sets and be "competitive" in any kind of game community that plays it.

I do like the idea of holding off, but at the same time, before i spend the money necessary to buy the newer items, id like to go the cheaper route and maybe go with the old. Then my questions would be, will the gaming community eventually void out the older stuff for the newer? i have seen alot of you post you will stick with the older stuff, and not spend more on the newer?

We are in the St. Louis MO. area, so finding a gaming community where we could still use the older(if we tried to go that way) and not haft to worry in 6 months to a year...2...3..5...w/e that we would haft to update would be great. Im sure my son and my neiphew would carry the game forward as they get older, so i would hate to throw good money after bad.

Im still lost though..lol. I do enjoy reading everyones comments, you are truely helping. i look at it now, and even if i was to purchase anything, it would haft to be bought off the net, seeing how the local stores have stoped carrying it. not big into ebay, been ripped off on there before. Any good sites/online stores, with good prices and selection?

Keep the input coming guys, all 3 of us are intently reading every word.

[Colonel_Coo]

I thought about going another way, to another game. But i havent found much out there that looks good. FOW looks good till you get to the soldiers. I just dont like how they look. We are also looking for a game that has some sort of community for. We recently sold off all of our Magic the Gathering cards because the community for it has gotten really rediculous. We dont see paying $100 a card or w/e. THis game still seems as if the average player can purchase sets and be "competitive" in any kind of game community that plays it.

I do like the idea of holding off, but at the same time, before i spend the money necessary to buy the newer items, id like to go the cheaper route and maybe go with the old. Then my questions would be, will the gaming community eventually void out the older stuff for the newer? i have seen alot of you post you will stick with the older stuff, and not spend more on the newer?

We are in the St. Louis MO. area, so finding a gaming community where we could still use the older(if we tried to go that way) and not haft to worry in 6 months to a year...2...3..5...w/e that we would haft to update would be great. Im sure my son and my neiphew would carry the game forward as they get older, so i would hate to throw good money after bad.

Im still lost though..lol. I do enjoy reading everyones comments, you are truely helping. i look at it now, and even if i was to purchase anything, it would haft to be bought off the net, seeing how the local stores have stoped carrying it. not big into ebay, been ripped off on there before. Any good sites/online stores, with good prices and selection?

Keep the input coming guys, all 3 of us are intently reading every word.

Buy the game. Even if you don't find a community, you can play all the SCENARIOS that WoTC has FREELY put on the web site. There are a shat ton of them.

Buy now while the "disgruntled" are down talking the price. Buy on fear, sell on speculation.

The game is a lot of fun to play. For more historic play, you have HHR. There are also fan sites with free map downloads or you can buy them and have them shipped.

No rare is worth more than the booster it came in.
Actually the best army doesn't use ANY rares.

[komichido]

I have played the game since it first came out and I love it. Yes its a little bit silly in some areas but it does not bog down and turn into an exercise as opposed to an enjoyable game.

I am extremely upset over the scale change because I have $1000.00 invested at this point. There are some pieces I still want badly. Most I will never get because of the scale change. However on the bright side the infantry will remain the same so I can still get my US machine gun team. Anyway I digress....

If I was in your shoes at this point, (new with no money invested) I would buy the new stuff. It will all be the same scale and 15mm is the standard. So you can use it with other games if you wish. You can also go online and pick up all the infantry from the previous sets so that you have everything you will ever need. I say your in a pretty good position right now...

Komi

[oddfellow]

I've been very pleased with the AAM community and overall support. A few wonky decisions have been made by Wizards Of The Coast, but this game is tremendous fun, especially the more units and army possibilities you have. These boards are sometimes a bit negative, but most here are great people with a passion for this game and WWII. Certain posters stand out as being historians, expert tacticians and even comedians... hopefully some of my favorite posters will still be around when the smoke clears from the re-scale hubbub.

[Greenosaur]

Is this new, 1935-1945 new scaled items?

[komichido]

That remains unclear at this point. We are not sure when the scale change actually hits because we were not officially told about the scale change. It was discovered by a member and the community forced the issue. It was later confirmed by WoTC employee Gamer Zero but no further detail has been released. Another point of contention for some of us!

Komi

[komichido]

Green,

Some of us are a little bitter, and while I have gotten over it to some degree I still have some resentment. What I want you to know as a new player is that I have had a tremendously good time with this game. Playing, collecting, painting, modding, making terrain, and these forums have all given me many hours of enjoyment. I will still play the game...

I think you and your son and nephew should give it a try as well...the reason I am writing this is because I don't want my disappointment to steer you away from the game.

Regards,

Komi

[shadowhooch]

I thought about going another way, to another game. But i havent found much out there that looks good. FOW looks good till you get to the soldiers. I just dont like how they look. We are also looking for a game that has some sort of community for. We recently sold off all of our Magic the Gathering cards because the community for it has gotten really rediculous. We dont see paying $100 a card or w/e. THis game still seems as if the average player can purchase sets and be "competitive" in any kind of game community that plays it.

I do like the idea of holding off, but at the same time, before i spend the money necessary to buy the newer items, id like to go the cheaper route and maybe go with the old. Then my questions would be, will the gaming community eventually void out the older stuff for the newer? i have seen alot of you post you will stick with the older stuff, and not spend more on the newer?

We are in the St. Louis MO. area, so finding a gaming community where we could still use the older(if we tried to go that way) and not haft to worry in 6 months to a year...2...3..5...w/e that we would haft to update would be great. Im sure my son and my neiphew would carry the game forward as they get older, so i would hate to throw good money after bad.

Im still lost though..lol. I do enjoy reading everyones comments, you are truely helping. i look at it now, and even if i was to purchase anything, it would haft to be bought off the net, seeing how the local stores have stoped carrying it. not big into ebay, been ripped off on there before. Any good sites/online stores, with good prices and selection?

Keep the input coming guys, all 3 of us are intently reading every word.

Greenosaur,
Yeah, don't misinterpret all the grumblings. This is a pretty active online community and it is active because AAM is definitely a good game. I think we all believe that.

The grumblings are mainly because:
1) We know this game can be even BETTER than it is now. So we are actively expressing our opinions on how to make the game better in these forums.
2) This next set WotC is releasing represents a major change. We don't know all the details of this change yet. One thing we do know is that the scale of the vehicles are changing (getting bigger). How much? We are waiting on the answer. There also may be some significant stat or SA changes. We have to wait and see how much of an impact they will have.

That being said, I 100% recommend that you just wait a month or two before investing in this game. This next set represents a "greatest hits" of previously released units. So you would probably end up spending less for better quality units and more historically statted units if you simply purchased this next set rather than going out and buying up the 5 older sets.
There are many units in the 5 older sets that are overcosted, useless, out of scale, or unrealistic. So, in reality, if WotC does this next set "right". You will end up with an equal amount of competetive high quality units as you would have if you purchased all the older stuff.

That being said, the old stuff is still good. It's been my main game for the past year and a half. I'm not even a "gamer" and I love this game.

As far as tournament play, I also live in St. Louis and am not aware of any gaming store that host weekly tourneys. I know there are a handful of players scattered around the area that play with either family (like yourself), a few friends, or solo (me).

The good news is we've got a great store located right here in St. Louis (Valley Park) that sells AAM at a great price imo. Just go to gatheringground.com. Order online or at the store.

Good luck and welcome!

[Greenosaur]

Green,

Some of us are a little bitter, and while I have gotten over it to some degree I still have some resentment. What I want you to know as a new player is that I have had a tremendously good time with this game. Playing, collecting, painting, modding, making terrain, and these forums have all given me many hours of enjoyment. I will still play the game...

I think you and your son and nephew should give it a try as well...the reason I am writing this is because I don't want my disappointment to steer you away from the game.

Regards,

Komi


I understand %100 percent about how games and there companies can let people down. Lets go back to the 80ies with D&D. When they brought out AD&D alot of people who had invested alot in the D&D sets, with rule books, creature books, and quests, had to respend the money if you wanted to go the new direction. Which now, if you look at D&D and D&D mini's, or even combine them together(as we do) its a rebuild of D&D and AD&D, (in my opinion), and is prolly the best of both worlds...just look how long it took and money wasted.

Its hard to get a game and go with it for along time. notice the only games that have truely lasted sinceI was a kid anyway, are the tried and true ole' board games. Risk is prolly my favorite game to date. its easy to lean, easy to play, and you ca n spend hours enjoying it!

In the modern miniature's games, there is alot out there, but geez, finding one that you dont feel your wasteing your money and, and feel it might last 10+ years isnt easy.

We jump around alot. We will play RaceDay alot, and that game didnt survive its 2nd addition..lol. We try to play Tide of Iron. but the kids, and myself get lost pretty easily in it sometimes.

My neiphew has suggested going to Wal-mart and just buying 30 bags of the old style "little green army men in a bag" and making up our own rules..lol. But if im going to spend money on a game, i want it to be a game.

With all this said, and knowing i digrssed off the subject...alot...lol. The draw for us in this game is the fact we want to be able to go to our local gaming shops, who support and have tournies for this game, (not knowing if there is a prize support, but just looking over things, probably not), and find a gaming scene we can enjoy as a family. We did the Magic the Gathering thing, did it, played it, never won cause the kids, nor myself, would EVER pay 20-30-50-100 bucks for a piece of cardboard aka...the cards.

I guess i will haft to see what i can learn from the 1939-1945 starter set, see if it would be a good starting point. If not, we prolly will either shop around for something else. Seems the new stuff will cost more, and im not sure im willing to spend alot on a game I have never played.

[Greenosaur]

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As far as tournament play, I also live in St. Louis and am not aware of any gaming store that host weekly tourneys. I know there are a handful of players scattered around the area that play with either family (like yourself), a few friends, or solo (me).

The good news is we've got a great store located right here in St. Louis (Valley Park) that sells AAM at a great price imo. Just go to gatheringground.com. Order online or at the store.

Good luck and welcome!

There is a shop in O'Fallon Illinois that has gaming with the game. Its called Fantasy Games, Website is: http://fantasybooksinc.com/fantasygames.html
its the only place I have found with alot of it for sale, and gaming tables for A&AM.

[shadowhooch]

There is a shop in O'Fallon Illinois that has gaming with the game. Its called Fantasy Games, Website is: http://fantasybooksinc.com/fantasygames.html
its the only place I have found with alot of it for sale, and gaming tables for A&AM.

Yeah, I heard about some people playing AAM out there.

As far as your comments about cost, the price isn't really going up. Booster price is actually going down (but you get fewer pieces in a booster).

Previously, it was a $15 booster for 8 figures (though they subsequently lowered the price). A case ran you about $120 (probably cheaper now). And buying by the case is really the best way to go if you want at least 1 of every piece.

The new stuff will be in $10 boosters (i think) for 5 figures. Cases will be about $80 methinks.

Like I said....DEFINITELY a good game. Keep checking in on news and our reactions to the new set when we get more info on it. Have fun!

[panzerpainter]

Keep 1 thing in mind: Those who are upset tend to speak louder than those who are not. In the same way that small special interest groups speak the loudest to dictate the politics for the whole. Dont get too caught up in it. Just sample some of the older stuff and some of the nerw stuff when it comes out, and make your own conclusion.

[Tico303]

[b][i][color=green]SO, if you guys were me, would you just buy new stuff? Or look for a deal on someones set of the older stuff? Or back away completely?

Hi, and welcome to the forums.

Here are my two cents: I'd absolutely get into the game, it's an easy-to-learn, fun-to-play game. With the new optional expanded rules, there will be even more flavour to the game.

If you are not just looking for a bargain, you should start with the new stuff. Since you don't have minis yet, you are not in the same position that WotC put all of us with the scalechange decision. I am not totally opposed to the move - I hope the overall quality will improve. On the other hand the scale change is a bitter pill to swallow for all of us who spent a lot of money on the game already. You don't have to care so get a fresh start with AAM "2.0".

Go to a local gamestore, play some games. If you really like it, grab a starter and 3-4 boosters and enjoy!

[Lotus]

I love the game, despite its warts.

Try it and see for yourself. That's the best test.

As far as people's unhappiness on these boards, notice the amount of people posting. If they didn't like the game they'd be gone by now...long before now.

WoTC has worked extensively on rules with people on these boards for both the land game and the navy game. They could have just said screw it...the rules are what they are. But they didn't. Despite mistakes, they show a willingness to improve the game. What you're seeing on these boards now is response to the abruptness of the "intent to improve."

Just see for yourself.

And the FoW soldiers are bigheads, however well detailed. Very much like the old Grenadier D&D figures.

Now if WoTC could contract out to Ral Partha...:)

Welcome aboard mate. Hope you have fun.

[panzerpainter]

And if you get a particular unit that just looks too big next to your other units, I just happen to have a shrink-ray machine I can use on them. Well, actually a thin slice removed down the center, and accross the middle, then reconnect the 4 pieces and redrill turret-peg-hole. It works everytime. Not cost efficient to do to many pieces, but that 1 or 2 really fav pieces can be saved and made to match the smaller ones, and possibly even visa-versa. I have literally made a living fixing WoTC products, and I welcome it.

[J.L.Robert]

Welcome aboard!

To get started, you should PM me, and acquire all of my extra figures. LOL

Seriously, I would try to find and pick up a starter set. Now, there are 2 types of starters. The original starters was a box, with a mostly-fixed pool of figures (just 1 random piece, a rare). The new starters are actually 2 booster packs, plus maps and rules (you have to supply your own 6-sided dice...shouldn't be a problem, right?), a much better deal for the same price.

If you like the game, then you have a decision to make. Will it matter to you if 2 different copies of the same vehicle are different sizes? If the answer is no, then load up on figures from Sets I-V, and eagerly anticipate the 1939-1945 set and the upcoming North Africa expansion. If the answer is yes, then you'll have to decide if you will play with older or newer vehicles (the infantry will all be compatible with one another). You can then load up on the older or newer sets (whichever you choose), and can buy loose infantry from the other sets from online sources.

Whatever you decide...enjoy the game and have fun!

[Rick]

As for buying or not buying the game, I think it depends on what you really want. IF you want some (allegedly) really nice looking pieces, then wait till the new set(s) come out. Those are supposed to look really good.

On the other hand, IF you are interested in the game and want to play, then buy the game in small quantities. That way, you are learning the basic mechanics of the game, having fun, and learning some of the basic tactics. But you have not spent a lot of your money.

[Greenosaur]

We decided to buy the 2 booster-starter, and two boosters. The shop we went to, was EXTREMELY helpful. They seem to have a GREAT community of players, cant wait to play! We so far have played a quick game with what we have, and really like it.

Thanks for everyone who replied, and continue on, we are still interested. For now we will try to build armies of single nations and try to compete in local tournies.

Thanks again!!

Happy 4th Of July Everyone!!

[komichido]

Awesome! I hope you guys enjoy the game as much as I have. Doesn't it feel awesome to hold the little tanks in your hand and imagine being in one of those babies. I always think about what it must have been like.

Have fun,

Komi

[Greenosaur]

I will say this! Its ALOT easier to understand than Tide of Iron We still have yet to play a full game of it. lol.

[Sharpe]

Keep current with the A&A Minis Rules Q&A. It'll help a lot. Good luck. If you run into trouble with the rules or have any questions, just put up a post. I'm sure someone will stop complaining/sucking up long enough to help you.

[J.L.Robert]

I will say this! Its ALOT easier to understand than Tide of Iron We still have yet to play a full game of it. lol.

Darn it! Too bad you didn't join us yesterday...I would have traded you a pile of my extra figures for that copy of Tide of Iron. I just bought a copy off eBay this morning!!! :mad:

Them's the breaks...

[komichido]

Did you get a good deal JL? I have been thinking of picking it up as well.

Komi

[J.L.Robert]

Did you get a good deal JL? I have been thinking of picking it up as well.

Komi

Used copy. $60, delivered. If I'm lucky, I'll have it in time for my FLGS's Game Day this weekend, to test it out (after I finish the WAS battle tickets from the Online Campaign).

[Greenosaur]

Well goodluck with the rules. We have scenarios that we downloaded that are a lil easier. but still all the options you get per round, it gets confussing lol. I will say its a awesome looking game, and they will send you pieces if your game comes up short. Mine was missing a german infintry, and a american officer. They sent them both to me.

[J.L.Robert]

Well goodluck with the rules. We have scenarios that we downloaded that are a lil easier. but still all the options you get per round, it gets confussing lol. I will say its a awesome looking game, and they will send you pieces if your game comes up short. Mine was missing a german infintry, and a american officer. They sent them both to me.

ToI should be the easy set of rules for me at the moment. I also have to read up on PanzerGrenadier: Eastern Front, AND the print-and-play rules for Lock 'N Load: Band of Heroes. Eventually, I'm going to return to ASL with the Starter Kits. The plate is full! :cool:

[Greenosaur]

ToI should be the easy set of rules for me at the moment. I also have to read up on PanzerGrenadier: Eastern Front, AND the print-and-play rules for Lock 'N Load: Band of Heroes. Eventually, I'm going to return to ASL with the Starter Kits. The plate is full! :cool:


lol, it sounds it! We play a different variety of games. Some arent even in print anymore, cause noone liked them...lol. Good example of this is Wizkids: RaceDay. When oit tanked, we prolly spent 40 bucks total and got both sets..lol. But yea, RaceDay, Pirates, Star Wars Pocket Models, D&D Mini's, Risk, A&A Board game, ToI, and now A&AM's. I might be forgetting a few...lol...but thats enough of a habit right there...lol.

[komichido]

I think I have you trumped....I still play SPELLFIRE! LOL I love that game, it's my all time favorite card game........



Komi

[Greenosaur]

I think I have you trumped....I still play SPELLFIRE! LOL I love that game, it's my all time favorite card game........



Komi

Yea that has me beat..lol. I think prolly the oldest game i have, is the old "Thunder Road" board game...lol. As for straight up card games, we sold out of Magic, and we play Phase 10 alot...lol. As for favorite games...for me it has to be Risk. I own 3 copies of it. Real old early 90ies copy, Then a late 90ies copy and the aniversary copy..lol.

[J.L.Robert]

Oh, I was only listing the WWII tactical games I was reading up on. I have about 500 games, in total.

[Richter von Manthofen]

My neiphew has suggested going to Wal-mart and just buying 30 bags of the old style "little green army men in a bag" and making up our own rules..lol. But if im going to spend money on a game, i want it to be a game.


Actually that is what I had suggested (the buying the cheap men I mean...

In a few week we will get the new "Expert" rueset, download the basic rules here.

Try a few games with the toy men and wait for 1939-1945. This set will yield you (hopefully plenty of decennt-good stuff)

I am also not happy about the change of scale that bothers so many of us, but the game is really nice - easy to play in a hour, but alone army creation can occupy hours.

If you don't find a community - here on the boards is the best (we may quarrel a bit - but even that is fun...)

Go to the play by post forums and you can watch/play good examples of play there.

[Richter von Manthofen]

Spell fire - cool game still have a few cards...

[Tyree67]

another thing to think of is how much about WWII do you know if you know alot about it this game only offers a small variety of tanks for now at least if you want to recreate some famous battles it will be hard becaues of the limited tanks, AA, and MG you have to chose from. Sometimes my boss let me set up some battles here at work when we're slow just to get some new players or famous battles 99.0% of the people here come up to me and ask what tank is this or that or something to that effcet but I alawys get one that points out to me what's wrong with how I have it set up like that's the wrong model of a tiger for that battle.Just like some people on this forum. but for the most part we do really like this game or we wouldn't be here.

[Lotus]

....alone army creation can occupy hours....

Sometimes this part is as much fun as actually playing.

[Greenosaur]

Yea, it does seem the actual building of a force is pretty interesting, and can be a huge part of the enjoyment of the game. I see smiling faces all around, so i gotta say it looks like a winner.

[Photoner Hawkwind]

It sounds like you've already found out that A&AM is a fun game and my only additional suggestion would be to not buy any additional boosters or vehicles until the larger scale vehicles become available in the next sets.

The few vehicles that you now have won't look as nice next to the new ones and you'll probably want to buy a lot of the new ones. Enjoy.