Mogami

[Autarch]

Drawing up stats for the Mogami:

http://toyeast.ideoconcepts.com/productimage/a05001397c.jpg

Mogami
Ship-CAV
1943
Cost: 25
Speed: 2
Main: 9 9 8 6
Secondary: 4 4 3
AA: 7
Torpedoes: 3 2 1 1
Armor: 4 Vital Armor: 9 Hull: 3

Scout Cruiser 2: At the beginning of your Air Attack step, you may choose TWO different enemy Ships. Your units roll one extra attack die when making Bomb or Gunnery attacks against those ships this turn.

Long-Lance Torpedoes

Any comments or input would be welcome.

Thanks.

[shermanM4A1]

Looks good, but just two questions:
1. What's a CAV?
2. Why Scout Cruiser 2? Based on what I know, the Tone is used for scouting in most major engagements, and it only received "Scout Cruiser."

[Autarch]

A USN designation for cruisers that operate a large number of float or sea planes. AV is the designation for seaplane tenders/carriers.

The Mogami was capable of handling over twice the number of aircraft than Tone or Chikuma.

['Warspite']

Looks good, but just two questions:

2. Why Scout Cruiser 2? Based on what I know, the Tone is used for scouting in most major engagements, and it only received "Scout Cruiser."


I think Scout Cruiser 2 is stretching it a bit far. Roughly similar ships should have roughly similar capabilities.

Scout cruiser 2 is a big leap.

[TK421]

Mogami is one of my favourite ships from building waterline models. I agree with the others that Scout Cruiser -2 might be stretching it a bit. I believe that she was intended to carry 11 planes. That is more than Tone, but hardly a swarm either.

I would see the Mogami in her rebuilt form as essentially a Tone. To give her some differentiation that also has some historical sense, perhaps she could be given the Survivor SA. She limped home from Midway after getting hammered and she also limped away from Surgiao Strait despite incredible punishment. She was, however, scuttled following further air attacks. I believe that Morison gave her the tribute of being a well-fought ship.

Great looking model, by the way!

[Autarch]

I'd still like to reward her for having twice the aircraft capacity as the Tone, but having a tough cruiser might be the better way to go. That will bump it's cost up a little over Tone, but not much because it will be less useful on a ship with only three hull points.

Mogami
Ship-CAV
1943
Cost: 25
Speed: 2
Main: 9 9 8 6
Secondary: 4 4 3
AA: 7
Torpedoes: 3 2 1 1
Armor: 4 Vital Armor: 9 Hull: 3

Scout Cruiser
Long-Lance Torpedoes
Survivor

[Sean-Khan]

I also like Mogami :) I hoped it would come in set I, but Tone is nice too!

Another option for scout planes might be initiative -booster (+1 to initiative, stacks with command ships)

[Autarch]

That's a good suggestion, Sean. Plus one doesn't seem as powerful as the Tone's SA, though. Perhaps doubling the flag bonus?

The other day while reading about the Nautilus' Midway adventure, I thought about giving the Mogami's floatplanes an ASW ability (though the planes that depth charged Nautilus were from either the Tone or Chikuma).

ASW Aircraft: Once per turn, this ship may attack any enemy sub on the map at 4 dice.

[Autarch]

Here's the final card for the Mogami. I had a collision SA but thought it was too negative and easily avoided by just not stacking Mogami in the same sector as a potential smash up derby participant. Went with the ASW SA instead.

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/8814/mogamifrontstatcardak1.th.png (http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mogamifrontstatcardak1.png)


http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/9931/mogamibackstatcardvn6.th.png (http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mogamibackstatcardvn6.png)

[TheJudge]

I think scout cruiser is a great ability and having another ship to do it is strong enough.

I'd make Mogami just like Tone pretty much, same cost. 25 point cruisers are getting to be outrageous cost, i always thought 23 and 24 was to much and another guy made a 32 point cruiser on another thread. :eek:

Cruisers get creamed by planes, especially the IJN one's, it is the USA's best defense against the Long Lance, stay away and blast with planes!

[irondog068]

I would loose the scout cruiser and allow it to carry 1 aircraft. Maybe limiting to Vals or Kates.

Irondog

[Autarch]

It didn't carry Kates and Vals, only float planes.

[Vice Admiral Hornet]

1943 why its was launched in 1935 with sister ship and 2 more of that class in 1937

[Barry Kendall]

VAdm Hornet, Mogami was converted to the configuration of the model photo in '43 from a five-turret CA by removal of the aft 8" turrets and construction of the aircraft storage/handling deck.

I agree that a single Spotter rating is appropriate; Mogami, like Tone, had only two catapults. With the carrier losses in '42, IJN needed more at-sea scouting capability. The Mogamis were not as durable as the other IJN CA classes; all four had to be taken in hand before the war to receive major hull strengthening reconstruction as they proved to be too lightly built even to withstand heavy seas well. This may be one reason Mogami was chosen for conversion rather than a Myoko or Atago.

They were originally intended as large CLs corresponding to the USN "St. Louis" (Boise) stype with fifteen 6" (5 x 3) but were converted to CAs with twin 8" pre-war. Eight of the 6" turrets were used on the two Yamatos (two 6" wing turrets were landed from each BB when their AA strength was augmented mid-war). So the triple 6" turrets superfiring over Yamato's main battery on your models would originally have been found on a Mogami-class cruiser.

[AG124]

I think the 1943 availability date is in reference to the Mogami's post-Midway reconstruction with the float plane deck aft.;) If it was the original class version, the availability date would most likely be 1941, as with other Japanese ship classes in WAS which were available upon the start of the Pacific war. Just to note, it was only the Mogami which received this conversion, and only after suffering heavy damage - the Mikuma was sunk before the damaged Mogami was rebuilt, and neither the Kumano nor Suzuya suffered any damage at Midway (and were not taken in hand for conversion afterwards).

Edit - Never mind; didn't post fast enough.

[Vice Admiral Hornet]

I am trying to allow some of our players to increase IJN cruiser force as they are finding it hard.

I THINK (lol) we could use Boise repainted at a push for this model.

What do you think ?

[Admiral D]

The Mogami's main armament factors are too high for the post Midway version. They should be the same as for the Exeter (8 8 7 6),as she had only six-8" According to Conway'a All the World's Fighting Ships 1922-46, she never carried more than six the same as the Tone. I don't think her AA should be more than 6, same as Myoko. Giving her the same SA as the Tone would be appropriate as her post Midway role is the same.

[Autarch]

I noticed this when adding the Mogami's silhouette to the stat card (only 3 forward turrets compared to the 4 of the Tone), so lowered it. The Mogami got a crapload more of 25mm AA guns after her conversion, so I bumped the AA up a bit. Really, no Japanese ship should get more than 4 AA, but that wouldn't make for a very fun game...