Mike Selinker Fired?

[tactical]

hey everyone out there,
I realize that I am not in the loop as much as I should be(work and all). But did I misread a statement from Carico67 that Mike Selinker was let go from AH? When the hell did this happen? Are there going to be any more A&A games in the future? Who owns the "rights" to the game? WOTC? If this is true( Mike Fired/Let Go/Quit), this really comes as a shock, I ***** and complain(sometimes I feel I am right), especialy about AH rules vs. LHTR rules, but this isn't something I wanted or ever wanted to happen. Or did I misread Caricos statement?


Always in the trenches,
Randell

[Scott_WAR]

I hope the fact that the LHTR was created, didnt make AH think Mike had done a bad job, and thus is part of the reason for this. I cant help but think it has played some small part. Think about it. If 4 months after a game is released a small group of guys decides to make new rules, because they claim the old ones are vague and imbalanced, then mandate that everyone in PBEM clubs is going to have to use them, what kind of impression does that give to AH, about the quality of the work done for them? If it is true at all-------- WAY TO GO LHTR guys!

[Carico67]

WAY TO GO LHTR guys!

Way to go Scott...

It happened long before we began work on the LHTR.. please keep the great comments coming....

[tactical]

Carico67,
If you are still online, can you explain anything that happened? Are you allowed to?




Randell

[Carico67]

I don't know the specific details... only Mike could give those if he wished to do so. I could try to, but am not 100% sure on details and don't want to post mis-information the way some others so casually do around here.

Thanks, C2

[Scott_WAR]

LOL, ok, that was uncalled for. However, I must say it was a horrible idea for AH to do that. Especially now(or then) when we really need people like Mike for clarifications.

[Mike Selinker]

Where the heck did this come from?

Guys, I haven't been at Avalon Hill for about eight months. I left of my own accord, after eight happy years at Wizards of the Coast. I stayed a little longer than I had initially intended, due to a desire to ensure Axis & Allies Revised made it all the way to films before I let it out of my sight. No one fired me, let me go, or encouraged me to leave. I got a treasure hunt and a company-wide roast on my last day on the job.

I have a happy new business with my friend James Ernest of Cheapass Games. I don't feel that's an appropriate subject for this forum, which is about the Avalon Hill games. The last game I worked on for Avalon Hill, Betrayal at House on the Hill, will roll out soon. As the new games I didn't work on start appearing, I'll have less and less to say. But it won't be the indication of anything dire.

Mike

[Mike Selinker]

By the way, suggesting that the actions of club members could get anyone at Wizards fired is off-the-charts insane. Chris and company are good guys, and I could not imagine them doing anything involving wargame rules that would get someone removed from their job.

Mike

[Scott_WAR]

In all honesty, I dont think we should be discussing someones job at all. But, as I have seen someone else here mention it isnt a good thing that a new ruleset came out within 4 months of the game being released. If the purpose of revised was to correct the problems in the classic version, the creation of this new ruleset would make it seem as if that goal failed. And that very easily can be a reason for termnation. At least it couldnt have helped..
HOWEVER
Considering how much Mike has been here for all of us on these boards, I really doubt it was anything performance related that caused this. He has been all over the boards, he has answered every question put to him, quickly. I am sure it has to be more economy driven than anything. The new A&A revised game has been called nothing but better (production quality aside), by all that have bothered to give their opinion.

[cousin_joe]

I hope the fact that the LHTR was created, didnt make AH think Mike had done a bad job, and thus is part of the reason for this.
By the way, suggesting that the actions of club members could get anyone at Wizards fired is off-the-charts insane. Chris and company are good guys, and I could not imagine them doing anything involving wargame rules that would get someone removed from their job.
Mike Selinker, meet Scott_WAR, aka Captain Insano! :D Talk about jumping to conclusions... Scott_WAR would be a lock to reprise the role of Jack Tripper in a Three's Company remake :D

[Mike Selinker]

If the purpose of revised was to correct the problems in the classic version, the creation of this new ruleset would make it seem as if that goal failed. And that very easily can be a reason for termnation. At least it couldnt have helped..
HOWEVER
Considering how much Mike has been here for all of us on these boards, I really doubt it was anything performance related that caused this. He has been all over the boards, he has answered every question put to him, quickly. I am sure it has to be more economy driven than anything.

And it would have required a time machine, to go back six months prior to the release of LHTR and for that matter four months prior to the release of the game.

I need people to understand this: Nothing associated with Avalon Hill or Axis & Allies had anything to do with me leaving Wizards. In fact, those games kept me there significantly longer than I would have stayed otherwise. I had other things I wanted to do that I was willing to put on hold for several months to get you folks a new version of Axis & Allies.

Mike

[Carico67]

I had other things I wanted to do that I was willing to put on hold for several months to get you folks a new version of Axis & Allies.

Not only that, your aid brought us two games... guys reading this who have not tried D-Day should ASAP... it's different, fast, and fun. (and very creatively designed)

Thanks for all the work pre/post moving on to your new games Mike; a lot here GREATLY appreciate it and consider the game designers, and not the corporate machine, as the main authorities in regards to how something should be played. You have saved a lot of us (especially the FIDA group rules guys) a lot of headaches by taking the time to thoroughly explain intent as you did when we felt it wasn't 100% clear. It will be nice in the future spending more time playing, and less explaining due to your efforts, many thanks. Please keep us informed (or email me and I'll see it's posted at all club MB's) when you finish your next work and it's released publicly, because if your time and work here is an indication, it should be fabulous. Chris C

[Scott_WAR]

Yes, if allowed, please keep us informed of your current projects.

[Mike Selinker]

Yes, if allowed, please keep us informed of your current projects.

There are plenty of other websites for that. Google my name if you like. But as far as this site is concerned, I only want to talk about Avalon Hill stuff.

Mike

[DY]

Isn't it amazing how Scott can turn any thread into AHR vs LHTR

[Scott_WAR]

I ***** and complain(sometimes I feel I am right), especialy about AH rules vs. LHTR rules, but this isn't something I wanted or ever wanted to happen.

Thats why I brought up LHTR, it was, after all in the original post. I did also say my comment was uncalled for. Ive seen a few times you, Carico and others have been proven wrong, yet have yet to see you admit it. So, unless you are willing to admit your own mistakes, dont be so quick to jump on others.

[tactical]

My Apologies everyone(and GroGnads),
I started this thread, I was not aware that Mike Selinker and/or Larry Harris had stated in a previous thread or statement located somewhere on the internet, that he/they were leaving. I had read a statement from Carico67 on another thread and it shocked me that Mike was gone. Here I was thinking that he got let go/fired/ quit a few days ago.

I also did make a statement about how I sometimes ***** about AH vs LHTR, but it was just used as an example of-Even though I ***** and complain(which I think everyone here does, to a certain extent;), I am sorry to see someone who has helped create a game I love to play and talk about, leaving.
Thanks for the fun Mike and Larry, and for helping post answers to peoples questions on these forums.

P.S. I still plan on complaining about the AH vs LHTR, only, I will do it on the proper thread :)
P.P.S. This is not a blast to Scott_War, I try to respect everyones opinion(except for the unnamed who destroyed a soldiers memorial thread)

Randell