Where's the Support? [Archive] - Avalon Hill Boards

Grenzewolf

12-06-2007, 05:14 AM

Soooo, I'm a bit courious. New Scale, New Rules heck in some ways a new game. Not to many of the old historical players around much any more with the scale change however some that wrote off the game early(2005-6) may come back to the more universaly acceptable 15mm. But clearly the success of the game is going to be in the new players filling the ranks of the old that have taken their toys and gone home. (Literaly) Well,,,,,,,Were's the promotional stuff??? The New Printable Maps, Tiles, Scenarios, Contests. Man, back when this game was new these boards were hopping with activity and always something new for the players to check out and keep intrest up. I know it drew me in and kept me comming back and collecting more. I, like many others lurked for a long time until I couldn't stand it and had to join the boards fray. By that time I was already many dollars deep into the game partyly because this site always had something new to offer. How much does it cost to release a tile, or design a map, or hold a Scenario competition or anything of intrest.

Lately activity on the boards is not excactly riveting. I'm also not digging some of the Surly remarks the new players are getting from older players.

Yes some Ideas have been suggested a hundred times since 2005 but the game is new to them. Cut them some slack. And just because you disagree with it doesnt automaticly mean their wrong. All of you so called champions of "WOTC is always right" would better serve the game by making Newbies feel welcome rather than belittling new posters as though you were some Know it all iconic Board Member.

If you find yourself offended by this post then it must apply, no appologies. To the rest that take the time to respond with civil opinion pro or con. WTG;)

Hmmm this was supposed to be a single issue thread,,,,, Oh well I guess they both relate to Support. Internal and External of Community.

Qmark

12-06-2007, 05:39 AM

Richter von Manthofen

12-06-2007, 05:50 AM

I am SURPRISE SURPRISE not so negative. ATM we don't need NEW downloads (though the maps would be fine for online gaming).

We already have tons of scenarion, we already have tons of articles (most still apply in the new environment)

Downloadable platoon cards.

FAQs + Y2UAsks Q+As

there is a boatload support for newbies.

its only that we Oldtimers don't get anything new ;)

But guys and gals - we are all grownups ;) and what I see many homemade scenarios are constantly posted...

What I miss are (for example) the Leiters strategy articles (updated),...

What I miss are game reports (a few DO come) - OK I will soon continue with my campaign... ;)

I think we are a bit spoiled (campaign game!), but I assume when NA comes out (when previews start) the board will see more traffic than now...

In the meantime lets go newbie bashing - good old tradition here ;)

Grenzewolf

12-06-2007, 06:32 AM

My cynical guess is that wizards is right p¡ssed that competitive play (especially Limited play) didn't instantly skyrocket to Magic levels, and have thus written off any meaningful support beyond "here's the boosters, buy it!"

WOTC has to be aware that in todays gameing community with so many options out there competeing for our money, support for the game is a major factor. Though Axis & Allies has elements of MTG and other Collectable games it still has its roots in the old Carboard Chit War Games. Sure we will have cross over players from collectable card games but when you step out of the realm of fantasy even the Novice WWII buff will want more historical/realistic options rather than ,,,You put your starships on this side of the deck and I put mine here.

Combat Zone is great but I know there are alot of collectors that just don't have the time or accessability for those promotions. If it wasn't for Warspite's efforts I would never have seen a CZ pack except for some one gougeing on E-bay.

Grenzewolf

12-06-2007, 07:06 AM

I am SURPRISE SURPRISE not so negative. ATM we don't need NEW downloads (though the maps would be fine for online gaming).

We already have tons of scenarion, we already have tons of articles (most still apply in the new environment)

In the meantime lets go newbie bashing - good old tradition here ;)

No argument that there is a ton of stuff. However they are for the 2" maps that new players just dont have. I personaly have printed every special map available but it would be rather daunting and expensive to start out having to print ALL the V1.0 maps. Add to that the scenarios were basicly progressive with the mini's available. Substituteing is one thing but if you dont have a single mini of that type or even a stat card most people wouldnt bother.

Spoiled by all the stuff released in the past? Yep!;) And because of that I have stuck it out and supported AAM through all the hic-ups and short-commings. If additional and supplimental material is one of the things they did right to tap our pocket books they would be foolish to let it fall by the way side during this reintroduction.

As for the tradition of Bashing Newbies,,,,,,, any good tactician knows you have to get the enemy into the "Kill Zone" before you spring the ambush. Never shoot the point man. hehe

Photoner Hawkwind

12-06-2007, 12:34 PM

Now I thought that WOTC was thinking that the North Africa set was all the support it needed.;)

raevski

12-06-2007, 02:01 PM

the support comes from expirenced players that demand more. These poor people who work tirelessly to make the game better i.e nueral dreams cards. WoTC do support us, They make the game but they should listen carefully to us the end user. I think they are doing that otherwise why would we have a board if they do not intend to listen.

Anpu42

12-06-2007, 05:52 PM

LACK OF SUPPORT! Try being a Battlefield: Evolution Player!

Lotus

12-06-2007, 06:58 PM

....What I miss are (for example) the Leiters strategy articles (updated),...

I just popped over to axisandallies.org because he used to be on there alot and did not see him listed as having posted recently.

Yeah...he's (Der Leiter) another MIA poster that made these boards richer. Maybe we'll see him and a few others return for the N. Africa set.

Piemaster

12-06-2007, 07:28 PM

Combat Zone is great but I know there are alot of collectors that just don't have the time or accessability for those promotions. If it wasn't for Warspite's efforts I would never have seen a CZ pack except for some one gougeing on E-bay.

Exactly, there are no combat zones within about 2 hours of me :( though I geuss that's not really WoTC's fault... But I agree with the downloads, there just hasn't been anything new for a while (well, that I've noticed at least)

Autarch

12-06-2007, 07:51 PM

I'd wager that all WotC available resources/manpower are being funneled into Dungeons and Dragons 4th Edition due to release next May. Just read any of the blogs/updates/podcasts---that's mainly what they talk about.

TW1Kell

12-06-2007, 07:54 PM

Actually, I believe (and my friends agree) that the maps are what make the game remain fresh. Set releases are a long-term planning exercise that requires a major project mentality. Maps, on the other hand, are fairly easy to produce in comparison. At least that is my take on it. releasing new maps allows for a changing dynamic to the game even when using the same old pieces. Terrain changes require a new look at tactics, strategy, and the actual reaction to an opponent's actions. This is simliar to an article that I worte for another gameline of which I am an Envoy: Strategy is the building of the army and Tactics is its deployment and intitial movement. This all changes with the terrain involved. New maps allow you to keep it all fresh and retains the veteran players while encouraging the Noobs by giving them the knowledge that the game has many different facets that can be explored making the investment worthwhile due to its longevity for interest. That is something that drew me into AAM.

As for the negativity, I have been involved in that other gameline that I mentioned. It is undergoing a radical re-design and many are negative about that. I have a hard time with the "sky is falling attitude" that some display and have seen it here, as well. Well, if you can't accept change, things will bother you in that case. Much like the change in scale for AAM. But change can be good, and often is. I have not seen any vehicles from sets other than 39-45 and am happy with this scale, but also want to use the other just to see them. Also, I have been treated so well that I am hooked by the game and its community of supporters. I am accustomed to nay-sayers so I tend to shrug that off. As for the rudeness, well I am a Soviet Sniper equipment collector and am active on those Boards, so I am very much accustomed to the "I am an internet Ranger hiding behind my screen" attitude, and usually just shine them off, as well. Oh well, it takes all kinds and I don't have time for the wannabes that haven't "been there and done that." I don't have the time for them.

Grenzewolf, I (as a Noob) appreciate what you are attempting to do with this thread, and agree with you. Let's all have fun, and remember that everyone was a Noob at one time. Live and let live, as we are ll stuck in this life together, and NO ONE is getting out alive!

Grenzewolf

12-06-2007, 08:19 PM

LACK OF SUPPORT! Try being a Battlefield: Evolution Player!

No thanks, I hear they dont support that game.;)

Grenzewolf

12-06-2007, 08:30 PM

New maps allow you to keep it all fresh and retains the veteran players while encouraging the Noobs by giving them the knowledge that the game has many different facets that can be explored making the investment worthwhile due to its longevity for interest. That is something that drew me into AAM.

Same here.

I am very much accustomed to the "I am an internet Ranger hiding behind my screen" attitude, and usually just shine them off, as well. Oh well, it takes all kinds and I don't have time for the wannabes that haven't "been there and done that." I don't have the time for them.

Hehehe I love when those types that propogate incorrect information off the internet as first hand experience. lol

Live and let live, as we are ll stuck in this life together, and NO ONE is getting out alive!

Yeah but the one who dies with the most toys Wins!!:D

armchairmilitant

12-07-2007, 12:03 AM

Here, here Grenzewolf.

AAM wasn't on my radar until V2 came out. The reasonably priced starter set with figures you could see was a good move as were the ads in WWII history mags.

Disgruntled V1 players could recoup much of their investment by selling their collections on ebay if they really feel screwed by the new changes.

I had two other games on my Xmas buying list, but opted for a case of boosters instead.

This kind of gaming is a niche market - that's also very competitive. I don't blame WotC for running their lines like a business. All these discussions are absent any actual production/sales data - and that's far more important than the opinions of a small, but vocal forum crowd.

AH went under the first time despite a good reputation. I wish the old school AH games were all available, but the WWII gaming market is pretty strong with a lot of competitors who should drive innovation. I just checked out the new Tide of Iron game on another site. It makes the AAM figures seem like museum pieces in terms of quality, but the game mechanic is interesting.

Companies like WotC always have a tradeoff between the keep everything the same crowd and the need to innovate and generate dollars on a regular basis.

I should have a good V2 collection by the time N. Africa arrives. So I'm pretty happy with what's happening.

Anpu42

12-07-2007, 05:21 AM

No thanks, I hear they dont support that game.;)
That was my point. It WAS a good game, the they tried to come out with a Star Ship Troopers verson that drew personel away from BEvo and then seemed to forget about both.:mad: This is the main reason I came back to AAM.

Photoner Hawkwind

12-08-2007, 02:34 PM

Disgruntled V1 players could recoup much of their investment by selling their collections on ebay if they really feel screwed by the new changes.

I'm pretty happy with what's happening.

Except that we don't want to sell anything. We want to play with what we have and wish we could buy more vehicles proportionate to the many we already have.

The topic of support refers not to venting about a change we can't control, but to why WOTC hasn't provided the same support to version 2 that they did to version 1. And maybe you're correct that their sales are so bad that they are dropping all support.

Grenzewolf

12-08-2007, 05:20 PM

Except that we don't want to sell anything. We want to play with what we have and wish we could buy more vehicles proportionate to the many we already have.

The topic of support refers not to venting about a change we can't control, but to why WOTC hasn't provided the same support to version 2 that they did to version 1. And maybe you're correct that their sales are so bad that they are dropping all support.

What Photoner Hawkwind said. No scale ranting here, It's going to take a couple years of releases before a V2.0 collector can hope to even approach the diversity and breadth of my V1.0 collection.:D I have the security of a "A bird in the hand is better than 2 in the bush". Or should that be "1 small tank on the map is better that 2 big tanks that havent been released yet" Sell my 10 cool winter camo IS-2's for an oversized martini olive? NOT! Ok ok your Tiger I does look better mine.;)

But back on topic. I bought all the new maps, the starter, a few of the new planes. (YaY! a real Spitfire) Sooooo lets pretend Im new to the game. These 3" maps don't exactly ooze diverse terrain. Give me something that will inspire me to play more. I'll betcha if its good, I'll buy more.

fecktor

12-08-2007, 09:54 PM

The topic of support refers not to venting about a change we can't control, but to why WOTC hasn't provided the same support to version 2 that they did to version 1. And maybe you're correct that their sales are so bad that they are dropping all support.

I don't remember, did they really release new maps and stuff a month after the launch of Set I? ;)

I agree though that some things like the pdf list of changed units or the AAM database, I'm anxious to get since it was announced a while ago, but as far as maps, the imagination is your limit with the Combat Zone tiles we already have. And new stuff is coming in 3 months! :D In the meantime, play games and if you want diversity, mix and match maps 1 through 8 as you please, or do scenarios!

general hoth

12-09-2007, 10:13 AM

interesting thread!
imagine for us, european players, there is absolutely no support apart from this very site. this is why i'm always happy to read here about AAM and see that many like myself are enjoying this game.
about the change of scale i just cant make up my mind:confused:
i like the models but i have so many of the old one that the new ones look out of scale on the battlefield!!
i'm starting to get into the new maps but still keep the old ones for future battles...

Qmark

12-09-2007, 10:16 AM

I wonder if 1.0 has enough lingering curmudgeons to put the old A/B/C/D maps in demand. I still have at least two or three sets I haven't given away by now.

general hoth

12-09-2007, 10:24 AM

i find them really usefull for larger battles. with the new ones you'd really need a huge table or play on the floor.i'm keeping my four sets!:)

Grenzewolf

12-09-2007, 06:38 PM

I don't remember, did they really release new maps and stuff a month after the launch of Set I? ;)

I agree though that some things like the pdf list of changed units or the AAM database, I'm anxious to get since it was announced a while ago, but as far as maps, the imagination is your limit with the Combat Zone tiles we already have. And new stuff is coming in 3 months! :D In the meantime, play games and if you want diversity, mix and match maps 1 through 8 as you please, or do scenarios!

Thank Goodness some one asked this question!! I've been patiently waiting.

Within 1 Month of of the Release of the Base Set, We had Six Official AH Scenario's. The FAQ was added. Several Official Strategy Articles, A couple new MAP Configurations for Standard Play, And New Down loadable Maps were announced. But Don't Take my word for it, just dig in the boards and Archives.

It would seem that since the foundations of the Web Site and board are already in place and the Painfully long time that has Lapsed since reserves there would be a mass of interesting stuff to play and mull over. We should get something other than "Here these are bigger, buy these now".

Heck I'll almost bet the scenario for Expert Rules was originally planned for V1.0 maps. I love the "pretend half the map is woods and the other bluffs". Oh yeah, Fortress Driant was the same gig "and this grass here is a Big Fort Kiddies. Please, that is hardly what we have come to expect from an official Scenario. I made special tiles available for my posted scenarios and nobody paid me nor did I have the success of my new product on the line. But ask for a Player Scenario Template and they denied it cause they didnt want confusion with the "Official Scenarios". Yeah any old Timers remember when BOB was going to make one on his own time for us?

Where's the Support? It's Steve (YzUAsk) keeping up with all the FAQ questions same as he has for the last couple years. That's about it. And it's kinda sad he isn't swamped by more New player questions.

If WOTC truly wants to make AAM V2.0 successful and draw new players they need to have a better plan than pointing at the stuff that is available from V1.0.

OldBloodandGuts

12-10-2007, 11:53 AM

Don't forget the scenario-writing contests -- that was a key way that WotC made us players feel like part of the process and community. I really can't understand why they aren't offering something like this with the "new" set.

I think a lot of the problem is that AAM is going through a serious identity crisis right now. It's not just the scale change, either. It's all the little things that never really got clearly addressed. Like does a ranger cost five points or seven? Does a single infantry piece represent a soldier or group (if a group, then how many? Platoon? Squad? Company?)? Which maps do we still use? Is the target audience historical gamers or "gamey" gamers?

Perhaps worst of all, they lost WotC Bob, who put a (virtual) face on the product, and served as a sort of ombudsman who was universally accepted (and dare I say, liked) by the community.

So basically you've got a community of gamers who, unless they're brand new to the game, have to deal with two scales of (some but not all) minis, two scales of maps, different stat cards for (some but not all) identical units, two sets of rules (advanced and "expert"), rules, errata, and game components like maps and platoons that are available (I think) only online - and which "brick-and-mortar" only customers have no idea exist, and on top of that, the gamers have lost their trusted online go-between...in short, you've got about as many different versions of this game as you do people who play it.

Imagine if Monopoly suddenly changed the rent on half of the properties, eliminated all the railroads but one, added an optional "expert" chart for calculating the housing market in the event of a player having to mortgage a property, made half of the "Chance" cards available only as downloadable .pdfs on the company website, and allowed you to roll three dice a turn instead of two. The next time someone asked you to play Monopoly, would you know what game you were going to play?

What a mess. No wonder it's hard to support.

M2A0

12-10-2007, 12:05 PM

Like does a ranger cost five points or seven? Does a single infantry piece represent a soldier or group (if a group, then how many? Platoon? Squad? Company?)?

7 points for SS-PG & Ranger.

Basic Infantry represent a squad. Support units like a BAR, Mortar, MG etc represent a single weapon, Heroes & Officers are a single man.

OldBloodandGuts

12-12-2007, 06:27 AM

I just saw the new AAM online database and thought of this thread.

That seems like a nice start towards better support...

Grenzewolf

12-12-2007, 07:17 AM

I just saw the new AAM online database and thought of this thread.

That seems like a nice start towards better support...

Sure is!, Now all the noobs can play some of the Older Scenarios and Proxy using stats from the Data base. Makes good business sense too. How many of us have bought extra boosters or singles just to satify a particular Scenario? Might be a reason why the Mosin Nagant is still so over priced in the minis market hehehe. Or how about eating my own words by Saying "I'll never need more than 10 Shermans." LOL My BabySitter still rags on me for that.

Richter von Manthofen

12-12-2007, 07:18 AM

7 points for SS-PG & Ranger.

Basic Infantry represent a squad. Support units like a BAR, Mortar, MG etc represent a single weapon, Heroes & Officers are a single man.

thats a bit funny - assume the Uk Lieutenant has the same firepower as a full squad...

I'd rather say the Commanders include a few "staff" members (the guy with the radio, the medic,...)

MGs often had not only a gunner and a loader, but several ammunition bearers attached

ATGs come with Crews, ...

OIFvet

12-12-2007, 08:30 AM

thats a bit funny - assume the Uk Lieutenant has the same firepower as a full squad...

I'd rather say the Commanders include a few "staff" members (the guy with the radio, the medic,...)

MGs often had not only a gunner and a loader, but several ammunition bearers attached

ATGs come with Crews, ...

I am sure what M2A0 meant by weapons is the entire team to make it function. not just the individual weapon. I understand your bitterness towards "2.0" and WotC, but we once again have new people coming onto the boards and buying the new sets. I do not want to see the game killed by someone who once loved the game spread words of hate out there.

Richter von Manthofen

12-12-2007, 08:36 AM

I am sure what M2A0 meant by weapons is the entire team to make it function. not just the individual weapon. I understand your bitterness towards "2.0" and WotC, but we once again have new people coming onto the boards and buying the new sets. I do not want to see the game killed by someone who once loved the game spread words of hate out there.

:confused: I don't see what this has to do with 2.0???? :eek: Not all my comments include a sentiment against the game :rolleyes:!!!!!

polish_horsy

12-12-2007, 08:44 AM

Colonel_Coo

12-12-2007, 08:44 AM

That was my point. It WAS a good game, the they tried to come out with a Star Ship Troopers verson that drew personel away from BEvo and then seemed to forget about both.:mad: This is the main reason I came back to AAM.

I think he was trying to be funny. ;)

Colonel_Coo

12-12-2007, 08:46 AM

IMO...

1 guy on a stand means 6 guys. 2 guys on a stand mean 2-4 guys. Nobody on a stand (AT gun) means 2-4 guys.

except for heros. which is 1 guy that apparently represents 1 guy who could knock the crap outta 12 guys.

The hero's part is true. Sometimes those guys just knocked the crap out of people. If you look at army size to trigger pullers, then trigger pullers to actual combat effective trigger pullers, you'll find very few people did most of the killing. Actually, you find bombers and artillery did shat-tons of killing first.

Anpu42

12-12-2007, 08:10 PM

I think he was trying to be funny. ;)

I am afraid Not. I like BEvo, but The last new thing came out in August I think.:(

M2A0

12-12-2007, 08:40 PM

Grenzewolf

12-29-2007, 11:58 PM

AHHHH HA!!! I knew something smelled fishy!! There has been no real board support because they had planned to close it down. Kinda like the last minute,,,, oh yeah BTW the new Sets you all have been waiting for are in a new scale. Surprise!!:rolleyes:

Darn it. This is has been a lively, informative and fun forum. We had some great contributers Historical, Tactical, Scenario, and Modeling. I'm really going to miss it. Alas though there are so few of the old historical types such as myself left and those that still linger hardly ever post anymore.

The Glee max forums are really archaic and lame compared to this. I was not impressed with the SWM forum. Meh... Judging by the number of threads I've actually cared to post on in the last several months my personal impact should be negligible.

Lotus

12-30-2007, 06:17 AM

....Darn it. This is has been a lively, informative and fun forum. We had some great contributers Historical, Tactical, Scenario, and Modeling. I'm really going to miss it. Alas though there are so few of the old historical types such as myself left and those that still linger hardly ever post anymore. ....

It will pick up. I think we should just forge ahead anyway and make the best of it. Maybe we'll get most of what we had back.

I will miss my avatar, however. Not having custom avatars is LAME!

We need to carve out our WWII section in the midst of that D&D land and form a proper perimeter. :D

I plan on posting my whole Eben Emael scenario once it's played. I'll have a 4 x 6' custom map w/ the old 2" tiles. I play tested the first round and found that a properly manned fort is a beast...big difference from the under-mannned, under-maintained, mismanaged fort the Germans actually attacked. My scenario will not be the latter, I assure you. Can't have a game with that anyhow and present any real challenge. That will be on the new boards. My contribution to anchoring historical scenario play there.

Cruizin2000

12-30-2007, 06:50 AM

IMO...

1 guy on a stand means 6 guys. 2 guys on a stand mean 2-4 guys. Nobody on a stand (AT gun) means 2-4 guys.

except for heros. which is 1 guy that apparently represents 1 guy who could knock the crap outta 12 guys.

I always see 1 man = 1 man in this game. Especially with the newer/smaller 3" hex maps. The game just seem more "zoomed" in.

So, when the Commisar busts his cap, he kills 10 men at once?!?!?

They should've made this game so that the soldier figs were the size of Star Wars minis figs. Could you just imagine???? Now that's a real skirmish size.

C2K

Cruizin2000

12-30-2007, 06:58 AM

I wonder if 1.0 has enough lingering curmudgeons to put the old A/B/C/D maps in demand. I still have at least two or three sets I haven't given away by now.

I have at least 8 of each map panel. :D Not to mention an assload of hit markers.:cool: I suppose the demand would come from the gamers with a ton of 1.0 stuff but then again they probably have an assload of 1.0 maps already.

C2K

Lotus

12-30-2007, 07:02 AM

I have at least 8 of each map panel. :D Not to mention an assload of hit markers.:cool: I suppose the demand would come from the gamers with a ton of 1.0 stuff but then again they probably have an assload of 1.0 maps already.

C2K

I still use 2" hexes sometimes. My Eben Emael map is made of 2" hexes. Had to use them in order to get everything needed in there. Too big a battle for 3" hexes.

Redgar

12-30-2007, 07:32 AM

It will pick up. I think we should just forge ahead anyway and make the best of it.

Indeed, that's the spirit! Despite my reservations, if everyone does move over we will still have the community. And (speaking solely for myself, of course), with WotCBob gone frequenting the boards here hasn't been about either WotC input or the cool forum features (though both are contributory factors): it's the people. And, of course, the ringside personas that have developed ;)

Maybe we'll get most of what we had back.

In 2 or 3 years time, they will release "The Boards: 2.0", with all sorts of "fan-requested" features. :rolleyes:

I will miss my avatar, howev. Not having custom avatars is LAME!

It is indeed. One of the little irxsome things that's so far kept me from being drawn back to the WotC boards/Gleemax boards. One of the problems with moving over is we mature, responsible sorts are mixed in with all the other Yobs, who the Powers that Be cannot trust with such cool tools. And so we can't have any either.

We need to carve out our WWII section in the midst of that D&D land and form a proper perimeter. :D

Sir yes sir! I'd expect to prepare for defensive operations, as I don't see us making headway into the D&D/MTGO-controlled jungle out there without substantial reinforcements. I think if we move out early enough, we should be able to grab the high-ground and start work on field fortifications. Then, it's just a case of Overwatching MGs on the other forums and plenty of artillery.

See you on the flip side :p

Regards,

Redgar

fecktor

12-30-2007, 09:26 AM

One of the problems with moving over is we mature, responsible sorts are mixed in with all the other Yobs, who the Powers that Be cannot trust with such cool tools. And so we can't have any either.

Ok, again I totally fail to understand that particular argument. How are "we" more mature than anyone else on the internet? They are moving us to a community of forums where they already have established parameters which we'll be following from now on... how does that affects or reflects maturity at all?

I really don't understand either why Gleemax is seen as "kiddie" and us "mature players", since truthfully, on the new boards, I talk with Lotus and Qmark and Remember-OWS and many other people that I knew from here and some new and ... where's all the "kiddies" everyone is referencing that we're mixed with? Not in the new forums, that's for sure, and that's where I go to read AAM stuff daily.

So c'mon, what gives? In all the years this forum was open, I've seen my share of immature posters! Like everywhere else!

It's not because they're "kiddies" that they don't have custom sigs and custom avatars, over there... The mods just decided something else in how they were organising stuff for all these people.

I mean it's not the first time I see here "Ohh, the sky is falling, we're going to Gleemax with all the kids!!" Well that, for me, is an immature comment, so who's the "kid"? ;)

Meh, I don't rant often, but I don't understand that "Gleemax" perception, more so since really, the new forums are just like the old forums.. it's not about the custom tools we loose, it's about the people and the content of the forum in it!

Lotus

12-30-2007, 03:40 PM

....Meh, I don't rant often, but I don't understand that "Gleemax" perception, more so since really, the new forums are just like the old forums.. it's not about the custom tools we loose, it's about the people and the content of the forum in it!

Hey Fector,

It is mostly about the people, I'll concede that. That's why I went to Ohio to meet and jam w/ C2K, Kaufschtick, and a bunch of others. That's why I'll be on the Gleemax forum, and Axis&Allies.org, another board I've meandered on for a couple years.

But there is more to it than that. People on these boards have taken to certain established expectations which have been uprooted. The new forums are not like the old forums, they are leaner in AH uniqueness, leaner in member individuality.

What WoTC would be wise to do is offer something more and not just take stuff away. They changed the rules, changes the scale, and are changing the boards...all in a year. That's a lot. It's either a lot of hutzpah or blind maneuvering.

I've been a big defender of this game for years, through all of the hard times. But I also speak up for the community. Change is expected, time moves on and everything with it. Unfortunately that can work both ways, and if WoTC keeps pushing people, they will leave, or at least not promote the game anymore. They don't see who their best salesmen are and that's a shame. I can tell you that at Fatcats, the local gaming store in Johnson City near Binghamton, NY, AAM and WaS sell because of the degree to which we've promoted it. People want to play and they buy. We've more than doubled membership. If someone cares to do the math they'll see that on a weekly basis the $ add up. That's free promotion for WoTC. It's not too much to ask for WoTC to make sure the new boards have a welcoming feel. I don't think most people from these boards yet feel that. It's been pretty slow over there at AH Gleemax IMO, although I'll admit that it is picking up a bit.

I really want it to work out over there and become better than what it's been over here.

Piemaster

12-30-2007, 04:08 PM

Panzerkampfwagen

12-30-2007, 04:33 PM

Ok, I'm trying to transfer this acount over and it didn't work. Password and everything is right, so what the heck am I doing Wrong?

Lotus

12-30-2007, 04:37 PM

Ok, I'm trying to transfer this acount over and it didn't work. Password and everything is right, so what the heck am I doing Wrong?

Are you using "AH_Panzerkampfwagen"?

PUNISHER

12-30-2007, 04:51 PM

Theirs still a few of us old 05'ers around.

tbopper1

12-30-2007, 07:15 PM

A very few.

PUNISHER

12-30-2007, 07:25 PM

A very few.

True dat, where like the Spartans!

fecktor

12-30-2007, 09:27 PM

hm, I got more posts than you "forum veterans" :p Where were you all these years? ;)

Richter von Manthofen

12-31-2007, 12:31 AM

What did you say newbie :D

Lotus

12-31-2007, 05:30 AM

What did you say newbie :D

Good to see someone has more than I do. :p

Panzerkampfwagen

12-31-2007, 01:55 PM

Are you using "AH_Panzerkampfwagen"?

Yes I am, I'll give it another try.

Panzerkampfwagen

12-31-2007, 02:02 PM

Got it to work!

Rick

12-31-2007, 02:27 PM

AHHHH HA!!!

Darn it. This is has been a lively, informative and fun forum. We had some great contributers Historical, Tactical, Scenario, and Modeling. I'm really going to miss it. Alas though there are so few of the old historical types such as myself left and those that still linger hardly ever post anymore.

The Glee max forums are really archaic and lame compared to this. I was not impressed with the SWM forum. Meh... Judging by the number of threads I've actually cared to post on in the last several months my personal impact should be negligible.

Well, you are not quite alone. I will join the Gleemax, if it ever allows me to do so. I've tried twice now and requested help from the formaters (is that really the right word?) But so far, no joy.

I like to think of myself as a 'historical' player primarily. Though I also have played 'power games' too. Heck I became interested in historical war games by my 6th grade teacher who taught me 'Gettysburg' one of the original AH games. I was hooked ever since. Panzer Blitz, Panzer Leader, Arab-Israeli Wars are legend in my book! ASL, well, that a game of the gods.

I'll be trying the Gleemax formate. But from what I've seen, it moves much slower than this formate. So for my few search and seek missions on that setting, so far, its ho hum.

Hang in there my friend. Things can get better.

Rick

12-31-2007, 02:38 PM

Well some of us have moved here instead: http://aaminis.myfastforum.org/index.php (i.e. Neural Dream, VonGwinner... me... others...)

Thanks! I've registared. Let's see how this works. Thanks for the tip.

Avoll

01-05-2008, 11:16 AM

My cynical guess is that wizards is right p¡ssed that competitive play (especially Limited play) didn't instantly skyrocket to Magic levels, and have thus written off any meaningful support beyond "here's the boosters, buy it!"

Well Axis and Allies was a joke last year at Gencon, they didNT have in the WAS product, and there was nothing at all for the new scale for sale or prizes. The Tournaments they did have were rewarded with lame prizes, nothing even comparable to prior years.

However there was talk to revamp it for next year, so I am hoping they will.

So I am thinking if they are mad its not doing as well as magic, then its their own fault for putting little to no effort into events.