What equipment can be used to fill in Poland?

[Michael Hayden]

I've seen a couple threads with new cards for Poland, but I was looking for one that lists what equipment that Poland used that we already have cards for.

[M2A0]

Off of the top of my head you could get away with using the following.

BAR
Bofors
R-35
Vickers

[fecktor]

This question immediatly made me think of Xartloz threads... look there :)

http://boards.avalonhill.com/showthread.php?t=15993&highlight=poland

Hope it helps :)

[Otto von Starkburg]

For 1939:

37mm Light Anti-Tank Gun (Soldier – Artillery) [1939] [Hun] [Reserve]
Renault R-35 (Vehicle – Tank) [1939] [Fr] [Base Set]
81mm Mortar (use Model of M1 Mortar [US] with stats of the sGrW 34)
Anti-Tank Rifle wz.35 (use Model of PTRD-41 Anti-Tank Rifle [SU] -1 Attack Die)

[Dreamsbeard]

For 1939:

37mm Light Anti-Tank Gun (Soldier – Artillery) [1939] [Hun] [Reserve]
Renault R-35 (Vehicle – Tank) [1939] [Fr] [Base Set]
81mm Mortar (use Model of M1 Mortar [US] with stats of the sGrW 34)
Anti-Tank Rifle wz.35 (use Model of PTRD-41 Anti-Tank Rifle [SU] -1 Attack Die)


If you use the PTRD-41 anti tank rifle with -1 attack dice it's gonna be even more useless! :confused:

[Otto von Starkburg]

Sorry, but the wz.35 has a smaller calibre than the PTRD (only 7.92mm). You can use it already in 1939 and, for german tanks, its enough.
So SS/MS/LS 4/4/3 and SV/MV/LV 4/3/2 should be okay for 4 points (with luck you can disrupt a Panzer II).

I'm not sure if the Bofors 40mm AA is also used by the polish army, but you can use a the stats of the Flak 38 with the model of a Bofors 40mm AA. More Options are not avaible (there is no plane similar to the PZL P.24, there is no Renault FT-17 avaible)

[Heir_Ludendorff]

If there is something similar to the TKS that would be another option.... Maybe the Italian Tankette....

[Mcduncan]

The Polish used a licensed copy of the BAR.

[horacus]

The L3/35 is a good proxy for a TKS.

[Zeus[BTY]]

The Polish AT wz.35 rifle was one of the best AT rifles. It used Tungsten cored ammo (I think in fact the Germans got that from this weapon!), and is noted to have an armor penetration of 33mm at 100 meters. This means it could easily penetrate any German armor in 1939 (thickest was 30mm on the Panzer III Ausf. E). It should be able to at least damage a Panzer III quite easily at short range. AP was 20mm at 300 meters. I would give it 6/4/2 or even 7/4/2 AV.

They had 81mm wz.31 medium mortars, a copy of the french Brandt design, which is basically the same as the US medium mortar (I suggest removing the ridiculous improved indirect fire though, but then I'd remove that from the US model too :) ). They also had a 46mm light mortar, you could use the german light mortar for that.

[well_it_sounded_nice]

For WAS there is a submarine with a screen door:D

[Otto von Starkburg]

My source says they didn't used tungsten anyway. Some also discuss if the ammunation used steel.

And the attack-stats also included precisions, numbers of rounds per minute fired, and so on. So a 7 (look at the other at-rifles) ist too high for a 1939 7.92mm at-rif.e. And the AI also...

[NeuralDream]

And the attack-stats also included precisions, numbers of rounds per minute fired, and so on. So a 7 (look at the other at-rifles) ist too high for a 1939 7.92mm at-rif.e. And the AI also...
7? lol. That would mean that an ATR from 1939 can damage a Tiger. One must be careful when choosing max numbers as they will be rolled once in a while and will not look nice.

[Zeus[BTY]]

You need 9 to damage a tiger, or 8 if it's disrupted/damaged. The chance of rolling 7 successes out of 7 dice is 0.78%.

So a tiger or panther would be pretty safe from it, but a panzer II wouldn't, and a panzer 3 would have to be careful not to let it come into close range. Hmm, sounds pretty realistic to me :) .

If a weapon could penetrate certain armor in real life, it should be able to do so in the game, even if it's hard sometimes. And I think it's not that hard to hit a tank with an AT rifle.

[NeuralDream]

;322082']And I think it's not that hard to hit a tank with an AT rifle.

ATRs were not that effective . The probability that they could make their presence felt against a 4/4 was practically 0. For example, an expert ATR (not every ATR) could, with extreme difficulty, kill the gunner of a PzIVD if it aimed at the right side of the little window of the left back side of the turret. And could, also, with extreme difficulty (not 50+% prob. like 7 dice suggest) damage its engine with an extremely well-aimed 0-degrees shot from 50m or less. An ATR had practically 0 chance to damage or disrupt most german tanks in any way from the front. It could fairly easily kill the gunner or driver or even make the engine explode of a 222, pz38, pz2 if hit from the side or the back, and with extreme difficulty from the front. It could sometimes damage a pz3f from the side, just above the tracks, it had almost 0 chance to do anything to a pz4d and exactly 0 chance for a pz3h or anything better than that. For a Tiger it would be laughable to even think about using it.
My knowledge is on the Boys ATR and the Finnish one. I don't know anything about the Polish one, but I bet it wasn't so much better if better at all to justify anything over AV 5 for close range.