Any more on Epoch 8?

[simply4est]

I remember some time ago, a group was planning on developing an Epoch 8 covering roughly the 20th Century, or at least the first half. Has anyone heard anymore about that?

[zooooma]

Hi.

I've thought a little about epoch VIII, but I don't think it would work very well. Most of the Empires would be the same as in Epoch VII, which would be a little weird. The epoch structure doesn't apply well past 1915, as there has not yet been so much rising and falling of new powers as in the other epochs.

The combat structure too does not have as nice a flavour if applied to the nuclear age. As warfare has evolved technologically, the amount of soldiers in your army begins to count for less. Sheer strength of numbers, in History of the World, is too powerfull for the 20th century.

I'm sure it's possible to come up with something playable, but the game seems a nice length with seven epochs. All considered, I'm inclined to leave it alone.

I like History of the world a lot, but I think it comes to a natural hault at the dawn of WWI. Perhaps epoch eight will make for a nice expansion set in a few hundred years, but I can't see it yet.

Happy gaming.
-Luke

[JustMe]

I think Epoch 8 could work though it might require extending the game a little into the future. The seven cultures I would use are a combination of nations and political movements:

Fascism: Capitals are Berlin and Toyko. The rise of fascist governments in the 1920's and 1930's.

Communism: Capital is Moscow. The Soviet Union's victory of Germny and the rise of communism after WWII.

Democracy: Captial is Washington DC. The West's victory over Japan and Germany and its victory in the Cold War.

Nationalism: Capitals are New Delhi and some city in South Africa. The rise of anti-colonialism in the post war period.

Islamic Fundalmentalism: Capital is Mecca. The rise of militat Islam threatening the West.

Militant Democracy: Capital is New York. The west becomes more agressive by attacking potential agressor nations.

The New WorlD Order: Capital is? Between 2030 and 2050 a new world power emerges after the west exhausts itself defeating terrorism. My candidate would be Brazil.

This list of cultures would span 1920 to 2050. Obviously it needs to be fleshed out and tested to see if it would work.

[simply4est]

I think your approach would work a lot better, Just Me.

[Y2UAsk]

My candidate for NWO would be China rather than Brazil.

Are they listed in the order you'd have them played? That order looks pretty good, the only question in my mind being the sequencing for Nationalism. That one's tricky.

Steve

[simply4est]

Hmmm... both China and Brazil could be good - maybe before a more futuristic new world order with Brazil, there could be a militant communism (since there'a a militant democracy anyway) or maybe call it a 'modernized communism' or 'capitilistic communism', lol, centered in China.

[simply4est]

Thanks, I'll check that out. Now if AH/Hasbro could just make us an expansion like that complete with the pieces and our ideas posted here... lol.

[Clausewitz]

My suggestions for Epoch 8 are:

1. European Nationalism - Theiss Plain, Pilsudski, Budapest, 6
2. Fascism - Central Europe, Hitler, Munich, 14
3. Imperial Japan - Honshu, Yamamoto, Tokyo, 10
4. Communism - NE Plain, Stalin, Moscow, 15
5. United Nations - Appalachia, Rooseveldt, New York, 20
6. Asian Nationalism - Ganges Valley, Nehru, Delhi, 9
7. African Nationalism - East Africa, Kenyatta, Nairobi, 7

ME. Arab Nationalism - Lower Nile, Nasser, Cairo, 5

In addition, the epoch 7 Japan card is removed and replaced by

Latin American Nationalism - Northern Andes, Bolivar, Lima, 6

[DocD]

Awesome!! I like that very much. I would only change United Nations into United States Pro-Democracies.
Very good though Clausey.

[Clausewitz]

If you review my previous post on this thread you'll see that I've already done this:

Just rename:

Nato : United Nations

Banana Republics : Latin American Nationalism (move to epoch 7)

African Self rule: African Nationalism

Plus, add Asian Nationalism and DocZ's your uncle.

[Clausewitz]

My updated suggestions for Epoch 8 are:

1. European Nationalism - Theiss Plain, Pilsudski, Budapest, 6
(1919 - Treaty of Versailles)
2. Fascism - Central Europe, Hitler, Munich, 14
(1939 - Pact of Steel)
3. Imperial Japan - Honshu, Yamamoto, Tokyo, 10
(1941 - Pearl Harbor)
4. Communism - NE Plain, Stalin, Moscow, 15
(1943 - Battle of Kursk)
5. United Nations - Appalachia, Rooseveldt, New York, 20
(1945 - UN Declaration)
6. Asian Nationalism - Ganges Valley, Nehru, Delhi, 9
(1947 - Indian Independence)
7. African Nationalism - South Africa, Mandella, Cape Town, 7
(1994 - First Free Elections)
8. New World Order - Highlands, Bush, Rosslyn, 666
(2000 - US Presidential Elections Rigged)
ME. Arab Nationalism - Lower Nile, Nasser, Cairo, 5
(1956 - Nationalisation of the Suez Canal)
K. Zionism - Palestine, Bengurion, Tel Aviv, 3
(1948 - State of Israel Proclaimed)

In addition, the epoch 7 Japan card is removed and replaced by

Latin American Nationalism - Northern Andes, Bolivar, Lima, 6

The events in brackets are meant to give a more educational flavour to the game.
(One for the conspiracy theorists at the end, there.) ;)

I have a large spreadsheet of nations I wrote up once with a view to an "Advanced History of the World" game. Can't get excel files to post here, though.
There's a site out there somewhere with an AHOTW idea, I'd take it a bit further though with successor states, barbarians "settling down" to found cities and so forth. Not that long since Hasbro did a remake though so we'll have to wait a while for this one...:(

[Clausewitz]

Map Changes Clarification

Ooops, sorry about the quality of that map. Here are my map changes in full.
Remember these are based on the superior first edition map.

Eastern Canada added to N America
La Plata added to S America (southern half of Brazil)

Cuba added to N America (straits to Deep South and W Indies)

West Indies now part of S America (straits to Cuba and Guyana)

Theiss Plain (Hungary) added to N Europe

Elbe added to N Europe (basically BSB including straits to Scandinavia)

Baltic Seaboard moved to Eurasia (cuts NEP off from the north sea)

Resource added to Pindus (Macedonian Gold)

Pripet Marsh (barren) added to Eurasia

Resource added to Caucasus (Baku Oil)

Sicily added to S Europe (connected by straits to Shatts and S Apennines)

Resource symbol moved from S Apennines to Sicily (grain supply)

Atlas (Morocco) added to N Africa (straits to S Iberia)

Upper Nile extended to border Rift Valley and renamed Abyssinia

Niger added to Africa (eastern half of Gold coast)

Congo divided into Congo Delta and Congo Jungle (landlocked and barren)

Central Africa extended to east coast, renamed E Africa, resource moved to Gold Coast, East Africa renamed Rift Valley

Turanian Plain divided into Oxus and Jaxartes

Elam added to M East (southern half of Zagros)

Persian Salt desert made a barren land

Java (with resource) added to SE Asia (straits to Sumatra and Borneo)

East Indies renamed Borneo (straits to Philippines and New Guinea)

Philippines added to SE Asia

Straights added from New Guinea to Australia

Formosa added to China (straits to Chekiang)

Kyushu/Shikoku (one island) added to Japan (straits to Honshu and Korea)

Hokkaido has straits to Manchuria, no straits from Honshu to Korea

Resource moved from Korea to Manchuria

Persian salt desert is now a barren land

I’ve also considered adding Pacific islands and Polynesians, but the map arrangement doesn’t really allow for this.