Map Divisions?

[Nuclear]

What areas on the axis and allies map would you like to see, be divided up into more zones?

[Lt M Cotten]

What is the size of the map going to be? All is determined by this...

[Nuclear]

Sorry I messed up on allowing one to select more than one option, so select the one you feel needs the most work on, and then post the other ones that you would like to seen done.

[Nuclear]

The size will be the same. I only divide up a zone, into enough spaces, so that there is enough room to place units.

[Lt M Cotten]

The size will be the same. I only divide up a zone, into enough spaces, so that there is enough room to place units.

With this in mind I make the following proposals:

W Europe: 3
Germany: 3
S Europe: 3
E USA: 3
W USA: 2
Manchuria: 2
FIC: 2
India: 3
Australia: 3

[Nuclear]

I will take that into consideration Lt M Cotten, I definitely was planing on making W Europe into 3, as for the others I have not given much thought on that. And also how do you post a picture in here, for the parts that I have already done.

[Lt M Cotten]

I will take that into consideration Lt M Cotten, I definitely was planing on making W Europe into 3, as for the others I have not given much thought on that. And also how do you post a picture in here, for the parts that I have already done.

I am not the one to ask that, as only one of my attempts have been successful, and it was not a map....Sorry

[Nuclear]

Anyways, here is a picture of my China, The picture did not come out to good due to the lamenation and for some weird reason my camer's sight is weird in the fact that the map piece was centered in my view finder and some how ended up not in the center.

[Lt M Cotten]

With this in mind I make the following proposals:

W Europe: 3 (Normandy, Vichy, Paris)
Germany: 3 (North West, South West, East)
S Europe: 3 (North, Rome, South)
E USA: 3 (North East, Central, Southeast)
W USA: 2 (Northwest, Southwest)
Manchuria: 2 (Manchuria, Korea)
FIC: 2 (Indiochina, Burma)
India: 3 (NW, NE, S)
Australia: 3 (W, NE, SE)

[Nuclear]

I will certainly take your suggestions into consideration.

[series]

Anyways, here is a picture of my China, The picture did not come out to good due to the lamenation and for some weird reason my camer's sight is weird in the fact that the map piece was centered in my view finder and some how ended up not in the center.
IMO, I don't think there should be any linear route to the heart of China, for it takes some tacticalness away.

[Nuclear]

The reason for those divisions are to give china more IPCs. Which if you note will recieve 9 IPCs. Also I took boundries from an encylopidia into heavey consideration and that is very close to what it shows as China's regions and areas. Plus it takes some time for Japan to get into the heart of China. And Japan has to fight its way through to get even close to the USSR with this.

[Nuclear]

Now I am off to divide up Western Europe, that will me about 2 hours to do.

[series]

The reason for those divisions are to give china more IPCs. Which if you note will recieve 9 IPCs. Also I took boundries from an encylopidia into heavey consideration and that is very close to what it shows as China's regions and areas. Plus it takes some time for Japan to get into the heart of China. And Japan has to fight its way through to get even close to the USSR with this.
No, im saying the route should not be linear. Sichun and Quinhai are forced routes- you MUST go through there, and I don't like that (sort of like eastern europe in classic A&A).

[Defiance]

Hey Nuclear,

Nice thread..... After getting Revised I was very, very content with the map changes/ new setup for the European theatre! I think they did a tremendous job on getting that right! You should not split up any of those European zones!
Also the new victory cities winning conditions made me very happy..... But too bad Avalon Hill didn't put alot of time and effort to get the asian/pacific setup right so that it would be more fun 2 play with more strategies, as well as more historically accurate.

The map areas I think that need to be changed are as follows to get a better map. I am currently working on this map ...... I will be creating this in Photoshop (I know the program pretty good) in time, as my playgroup thinks that these changes should be made to get a better gameboard.

(I haven't included unit placements and IPC values in this post)

Russian Changes

- More areas in Siberia: 3 more to get a 4x2 pattern: Kamchatskya and Soviet Far East, Yakut and Buryatia, Evenki and Irkutsk, Siberian Lowlands and Novosibirsk

- split current Russia in "Russia" and "Urals" (Urals gets an IC in my setup)

Russia should border Archangel, West Russia, Causasus and Urals
Urals should border Siberian Lowlands, Archangel, Russia, Caucasus, Kazakh and Novosibirsk

Asian Changes

- rename Himalaya into Tibet
- rename Okinawa into Marianes Islands
- split China in "Northern China" and "Southern China"
- add in Burma between French Indo China and India

Northern China borders Manchuria, Kwangtung, Southern China, Burma, Tibet, Mongolia and Sinkiang.
Southern china border the kwangtung sea zone, FIC, Burma, Nothern China and kwangtung.
Kwangtung borders Mongolia.

Pacific changes

- new sea zone setup thoughout the pacific to correct some serious errors like W.canada borders Alaska sea zone, Islands no longer border only 1 sea zone like Phil, East Ind, Borneo etc.etc., Midway more in the middle of the Pacific.
- Australia will be split into 2 areas (1 zone containing the Southeastern part of Australia with Sydney)
- East Indies will have more than just 1 big island (which looks stupid on current map)

Other changes

- Sydney, Honolulu and Stalingrad as victory cities (of course)
- thinking about a Central Canada area just like the US
- will split mexico into 2 (each on every side of board)
- Moscow will be placed more to the west (so the german front looks realistic), but the entire border settings and the areas in the eastern europe setup will remain the same.
- Will rename Trans-Jordan into "Middle East"


Let me know what you think (and others on this forum of course :D )

[Lt M Cotten]

IMO, I don't think there should be any linear route to the heart of China, for it takes some tacticalness away.

Actually for a redivision of the current map that is pretty good. What are you plans for Kwangtung?

[series]

Actually for a redivision of the current map that is pretty good. What are you plans for Kwangtung?
I didn't say it isn't good, I did say however I don't think that should be the final version, because it will become a stackfest really fast.

[Lt M Cotten]

Okay. What are your proposals?

[Nuclear]

I like all of this feedback and all, I think the next thing for me to do is to get a scanner so that if people who like the map sections that I created, could e-mail and get them from me.

As for series, I see where you are coming from, yet I would like to see you create something which you believe is better than what I have created. I just think that Japan should have to go through the heart of China before it can start to move on the USSR. China is suppose to stop the Japanese march with tanks to Moscow. Also if you play that China can play units in any of its zones, then it will be able to put a moderate defense, when it would recieve 3 inf a turn if it spends all of its IPCs, or if you wanted to allow China to be able to build more than inf, then it could by 1 tank and 1 art. This is the kind of pressure that Japan needs on itself so that it will have to focus on China and not the USSR.

Also I am 95% done with Western Europe. I actually divided into 4 zones. Belgium, Paris, Vichy and France. Still worth the same 6 IPCs when all added together, but now this forces Germany to cover a little bit more ground espically if the Allies are planning a D-Day. Remember that Germany was not totally sure where the allies were going to land.

[series]

Well, I sorta like this design :D

[Nuclear]

This is my Western Europe Division. The only spot that might be tight would be Paris, but you could always use a marshall card and I do not really expect anybody to be that zone with a large amount of forces.

[series]

This is my Western Europe Division. The only spot that might be tight would be Paris, but you could always use a marshall card and I do not really expect anybody to be that zone with a large amount of forces.
Is that a cheap french joke?

[Nuclear]

This is the division of England.

[series]

This is the division of England.
Is that a... ok, i got nothing. I like the english division a bit tho...

[Nuclear]

Is that a cheap french joke?

Not really, but it does make a good one now that you pointed it out.

[Nuclear]

Is that a... ok, i got nothing. I like the english division a bit tho...

A little good news from you. Glad to here it.

[series]

Did u check out the map I posted?

[Nuclear]

Did u check out the map I posted?

Yes I have looked at it. Some nice stuff, yet I felt that your china division does not slow Japan down enough.

[series]

Yes, yours succeeds at that more than mine, but mine is developed for a different rule set.

[Nuclear]

Fair enough, then it all depends on what you want to include in the game.

[Lt M Cotten]

This is my Western Europe Division. The only spot that might be tight would be Paris, but you could always use a marshall card and I do not really expect anybody to be that zone with a large amount of forces. Funny. Real funny!! :D

I like the Netherlands, and Vichy parts, but I think the other should be a simple East-West split to allow for a Normandy landing and a Battle of the Bulge, w/o making Paris a cirlce (I don't like those). Nice method for the changes!!

[Lt M Cotten]

As far as the English split goes I like the London zone, and Scotland. The other two work, but I am not so sure in the naming. I would have borrowed the names from Diplomacy and called the middle zone York. Still it is good work. Can't wait to hear the battle tested results....

[Nuclear]

I was debating on to make Paris a circle or not. I thought that maybe if the allies took Paris, then France would start working as another nation in the game, something like going on the same turn as the UK. I might still change that one since it looks a little weak in my mind.

As far for the English one, I got the names out of an encylopida, I do not have Diplomacy and since these things take me 2 hours to make, I do not think that I am going to change it, I would just live with it, unless it proves to work out really good, and then I can change it.

[Nuclear]

Anyways, I am glad that most people seem to like my English one.

[Lt M Cotten]

England is workable, I wouldn't redo it either. You should seriously consider the E/W split for France I think you will find it works better. Of course it would also require a redo and you may not want to.

Still, good work!

How did you get the images small enough to be able to attach the photos?

(You can download images of the Diplomacy map online if you want to)

[Nuclear]

Well when you make a post, you can attach a file. In order to make the file small enough for this forum, I had to resize down the pictures I took until I came with in that requirment. That is why I removed a lot of the background to the picture to cut down on the file size. Though also, some distrotion happens when I resize. It makes the Western Europe one look worse. And the only other problem I had was since the lamenation reflects light, I got glares. I am most likely going to redo Eastern US next. I might also redo Eastern Europe, and will have two to chose from. Though for Eastern US, I am most likely going to divide it into D.C. South, North, and the Midwest. This should make it easyer and more realistic for an invasion of America in the game if Germany or wants to try.

[Lt M Cotten]

Keep up the good work!

[Nuclear]

Thanks I will.

[Lt M Cotten]

For information regarding gaming maps you can visit Elbowmaster's web page. There are a lot of great maps there to tinker with. I have become quite fond of Derpanzinator's WW2 Supreme Command map. I haven't found anyone who has admitted to playing a game on it though.

[pagan]

I think that China should be cut into 3 sections with thier own immovable INF of 1 per territory per turn. take the IPCs away from USA. USa gets to keep singkiang.

I think that UK should be divided into 3 territories. This was great in advAAE where OSL was actually a viable strategy.

These changes could be done on the AH-Map without ruining the original map using a colored overlay.

[Lobo]

I would like China divided into more territories along with W Europe and India.
Unfortunately the poll does not permit multiple selections.

[Nuclear]

Thank you for your feedback. I did mention before that I made a mistake with the poll. Anyways I am thinking on working on India soon. Lobo, didn't you already see the china that I posted in this thread. It was divided into 6 zones and Western Europe was divided into 4. Take a look, it might all ready solve your questions.

[Nuclear]

Well I have just gotten done play testing my map divisions. The people I played with and including me have agreed that these divisions work well. Also a lot of them liked how France was divided, because Germany had to protect some more zones. Therefore I am putting my 3 map divisions into the success stack.

[Lt M Cotten]

Good to hear. Did you stick with the Paris circle, or go with the E/W split?

[Nuclear]

I stuck with the Paris circle since I already had it done. Though when you think about it, there are still a lot of other places that the allies can land to confuse Germany and keep Germany's attention.

[Clausewitz]

Check out my stuff on the Clausewitz Map Archive thread for some ideas.

Also, I'm posting some AAE maps on that game's board so take a look there.

Northern England is properly called Northumbria which was a separate Kingdom in the Dark Ages, until conquered from the south in 954.

Check my divisions of India and China on the Complete Redux thread.

[Nuclear]

I checked those out, those are some really good ideas, I will have to try them some time.

[Lt M Cotten]

Have you considered working the Eastern Soviet Union to reduce the effect of JTDTM?

[Nuclear]

Yes, but right now I am very limited on time, due to 3 up coming tests that I have to take in school. Though I will be working on it soon.

[Nuclear]

Now that I have sometime and after thrusday, I will work and produce another map section. It will most likely be Eastern US because I have about half of that already done, and then I will most likely divide up india into 3 zones each worth 1 IPC.