Amphibious-assaulting tanks can retreat?

[Stephen]

If part of the attacking force lands by transport, can the non-transported tanks still move one space?
If a tank lands by transport, can it still move one space?
Yes, we asked Mike Selinker this and his response was that indeed the ARM can retreat (regardless of whether it came in by land or sea)
Sorry to dig this one up again but I've been subconciously confused about this for a few days now and can't let it rest just yet :)

I'm quite confused. Tanks that land by boat can retreat? I thought all land units could not retreat from an amphibious assault, that only fighters and bombers can retreat.

[Krieghund]

cousin_joe is mistaken. Only air units may retreat from an amphibious assault.

[cousin_joe]

cousin_joe is mistaken. Only air units may retreat from an amphibious assault.His original question was specifically with regards to Panzerblitz tanks. Yes, Kreighund, my mistake, I should not have used the word "retreat" in my reply. What I meant to say was Panzerblitz tanks may move one space in NCM even if they came in amphibiously. They must destroy all the defenders in one turn.

I will look for the original thread to prove this.

Ground units may never retreat from an amphibious assault.

Here it is: http://boards.avalonhill.com/showthread.php?t=2358&highlight=panzerblitz :D

[Krieghund]

The Panzerblitz rule states:

If your attacking forces destroy all defending units in a territory in one cycle of combat, any of your surviving tanks in the attacking forces may move 1 territory during the noncombat move phase.

If you are retreating, you obviously have not destroyed "all defending units in a territory in one cycle of combat", therefore the Panzerblitz rule does not apply.

[cousin_joe]

If you are retreating, you obviously have not destroyed "all defending units in a territory in one cycle of combat", therefore the Panzerblitz rule does not apply.
True, I think the problem here is semantics.

No ground units in an amphibious assault can retreat under any conditions

A Panzerblitz tank (but not a normal tank) may move one space in NCM if all of the defenders were destroyed in one cycle of combat (even if the Panzerblitz tank came in amphibiously).

If you bring in the Panzerblitz tank amphibiously, you are now conducting an amphibious assault (and therefore cannot retreat your ground units). Furthermore, if you do not destroy all the defenders in one turn, you do not get to move your Panzerblitz tank in NCM.

Hope this clears things up Stephen. :)

[Clausewitz]

In my houserules all land units may retreat from amphibious assault. In addition, units attacking overland in the same battle may also retreat by sea, and defending land units may also evacuate, provided transport capacity is available.
However, I also stipulate that armour and artilley units retreating/evacuating by sea must be converted into simple infantry pieces to simulate forces leaving their heavy equipment behind, e.g. the British army at Dunkirk.

[cousin_joe]

In my houserules all land units may retreat from amphibious assault. In addition, units attacking overland in the same battle may also retreat by sea, and defending land units may also evacuate, provided transport capacity is available.
However, I also stipulate that armour and artilley units retreating/evacuating by sea must be converted into simple infantry pieces to simulate forces leaving their heavy equipment behind, e.g. the British army at Dunkirk.
I gotta say, Clausewitz, I like the conversion of RTL/ARM to INF for sea retreats. Not something I'd do myself, but very neat idea. :)

[SCIPIO]

Yes! original and realistic idea, Clause!

[Stephen]

What confuses me was the reference to Mike Selinker... he isn't connected with AARe.

But (thinking to myself) ...............if Panzerblitz is a part of the original NAs, then he would....

Ok I just looked it up and saw that Panzerblitz IS an original AH NA. That would explain Mike's input. My bad!


Personally I don't agree that tanks that amphibiously assault should be able to move an extra space. Loading ends a land unit's turn and I think this should apply even where Panzerblitz is an option.

Just my 2 cents.

[pagan]

I agree with stephen about the Panzerblitz + Amphib.

How exactly does a Panzer 'Blitz' from an amphib drop?:rolleyes: