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General Norde
12-10-2004, 08:49 AM
Here's an interesting poll, haven't seen it elsewhere although with all these subjects, I might have missed it.

What's the most useless NA in the original revised edition?

1- Salvage : Get a free tank if you survive a german attack in which the German lost a tank in a red territory. (Does this ever happen???)

2- Dive-bombers (The historical non-sense of dive bombers concentrating their strikes on industries) : Is it really worth risking a fighter on a flak gun for an average 2IPC bombing ? Maybe it is statisticly but it keeps your ultra-useful fighters occupied while they could be used in much more destructive missions. By the way, dive bombers gives your fighters a d3 SBR abiility

3- Mid-East Oil : Any fighter landing in trans-jordan/persia/Egypt in a non combat move gets to move again that turn.

4- Kaiten torpedoes : Lose a 8 IPC sub to make a +1 first shot while defending next to a yellow territory. (I'd rather keep my sub for the fight as he can take losses and if the other guy has a battleship, it stinks...)

5- Kamikazes : Scrap your 10 IPC fighters for a first shot on a sea attack... at least, it doesn't have to land back.

6- Fast Carrier : Might be good in a very specific situation in which your fleets are very far away from the homeland... but at that point, you are likely winning the game...

AllWeNeedIsLove.
12-10-2004, 09:24 AM
well they are all useless. well kamikazes are not, but the rest are not even worth having in the game. this just makes me realize how good and even enhanced n/as are

AAGeneral
12-10-2004, 01:00 PM
I agree with AWNIL. Except Kamikazes, the rest are useless.

DocD
12-10-2004, 02:42 PM
Salvage is pretty bad...but I wish I had voted for M-E oil. One of my first post was about how useless this one was!

And not because you won't want a fighter to land in India eventually, but because it had nothing to do with OIL!!!

This should have been a huge NA for the Allies (like it was historically), but came off totally useless.

As far as LDB...hey I didn't mind them....I used them a few times to good effect.

Beast1313131
12-22-2004, 12:44 PM
I liked the Kamikazes but found the rest fairly useless, but i voted against Kaiten Torpedoes.

PaschatKing
12-23-2004, 12:01 AM
Kamikazes are weak, but not useless - it could be devastating. French Res. is weak, but not useless. (yes i know its not on the list). Kaiten is ****. U waste a sub and still no guarantee of a kill - if you could nominate a target with each and then need a '3', that would ease the pain. Aim at those TRNs or ACs.

PrisonerOfWar
12-23-2004, 02:20 AM
I voted Salvage.

The attacker usually never attacks if they know they will lose, so Russia never gets their free tank. To throw away tanks into a losing battle as the attacker would be the stupidest possible move ever.

PaschatKing
12-23-2004, 02:29 AM
Salvage is indeed lame.