Team AR takes on TomJag1 & Butch

[axis_roll]

OK, this game has started.

Bid is 12 to Team AR
2 inf in libya
$4 to Germany, $2 to Japan

Russia NA is T-34 tanks.
buys 3 inf, 3 tanks, takes west russia and ukraine
Moves to support India and Sinkiang

Germany takes Panzerblitz
buys A/C, sub, 4 inf, 2 tanks.
takes karelia, ukraine, Anglo-egypt (2 inf, 2 tanks left)
kills med BB without sub loss. See map link for end of G1.

[Moderator Sinister]

hey guys, even if you aren't using the play-by-post why don't you post there and keep a turn by turn account so the rest of us can watch!!! WHOO HOO

[axis_roll]

hey guys, even if you aren't using the play-by-post why don't you post there and keep a turn by turn account so the rest of us can watch!!! WHOO HOO
The Play by post forum was not up yet when I posted this....

[TomJag3]

I'll get the UK posted tonight. It's my normal move. Seeing what happened to Pagan in his posted game out here reminds me how important it is to keep England garrisoned against you tricky Axis types!!!

[TomJag3]

Butch, as UK, took Colonial Garrison for India. After considering the options, he decided we could take the loss in IPC's for UK and combined the UK fleet in SZ8. We used the CV and DD from India to sink the *** transport and moved our transport from India to the coast of FIC to block the *** fleet off the East Indies. This puts pressure on Japan, they can't just ignore the CV and DD. Axis_Roll has seen me do this in our other games. With the Russians in force at Bury, they can roll across the border into Manchuria if it's left empty and the UK fleet can block amphibious assaults for a turn. I can taste the pressure on the Japanese on mainland Asia.

I think they should concede now :)

The other non-com movements were pretty normal, evacuation of Jordan, the fighter from the CV moved to India, and the shuffle from Persia to India. South African troops made a tentative move to Kenya.

It looks like it will be Jutland all over again around the North Sea.

[pagan]

I am hoping to see the AR team figure out how to use Japan against the asian rush. I've got my ideas for holding out, but it doesn't help for long.

[RuHurt]

Sounding interesting... would y'all mind posting the new maps too, so we can watch? :D

[DocD]

Interesting UK move tom...my only thought is....Japan will be able to reinfore its Pacific Navy, can UK do the same?

[pagan]

Uk is forcing Japan to use more units to kill the AC+DD on its turn. Japan is already sppread out

China + Hawaii + UK navy

[AxisRoll]

Well here is J1F. I do a little web hosting, so here is a link.

I can attach bigger files. :)

http://2e4u.com/TeamAxisRoll/index.html

[pagan]

That's what I would have done for movements

Bottleneck that UK fleet.

I like the second NA as your option....

[Beast1313131]

Hey, whos the one in the Bears shirt? I love the bears! i agree with Pagan as well, you have to get the UK fleet tied up.

[AxisRoll]

I am in the Bears Shirt. AxisRoll.

I Have Bears Season Tickets....

R2F Shows a total Allies KJF. Pictures @ J2F

[TomJag3]

I don't know how to post the maps, but it's Germany's 2nd turn. After that, the UK will send their Pacific sub, CV, DD, and the fighter in India into Japan's home waters to sink the transport and 2 DD's they've built. That should attract plenty of attention from the Japanese, giving Sinkiang and India time to grow.

The Germans are another matter. That German navy is a nuisance. It will take a combined effort of the UK and US to eliminate that threat. It will be interesting to see what Germany does in its turn and what it buys.

[axis_roll]

I don't know how to post the maps, but it's Germany's 2nd turn. After that, the UK will send their Pacific sub, CV, DD, and the fighter in India into Japan's home waters to sink the transport and 2 DD's they've built. That should attract plenty of attention from the Japanese, giving Sinkiang and India time to grow.

The Germans are another matter. That German navy is a nuisance. It will take a combined effort of the UK and US to eliminate that threat. It will be interesting to see what Germany does in its turn and what it buys.
I want to discuss our plans with my AR partner who is on R&R until Wednesday night...

[cousin_joe]

I want to discuss our plans with my AR partner who is on R&R until Wednesday night...

Looks like Team AR hit their first snag on their World Tour. The anticipated UK hit on the Japanese Home Fleet could be costly. What NA did Japan pick by the way?

Germany is looking pretty scary in both the Atlantic and Africa. UK could be really hurting for income over the next few rounds.

[axis_roll]

axis_roll is Germany, AxisRoll is Japan.

The UK planned attack (if successful) would be a mere speed bump for Japan.

[TomJag3]

Well, losing 28 IPC's worth of the first turn's build can't be good. Also, only having 1 transport to add troops to the mainland for Japan won't be good, especially if the choices are either landing in Manchuria or FIC. It gives the US and UK the chance to build up in Asia and might prevent the Japanese from coming after the US fleet off the WCst of US.

[pagan]

Here is my prognosis:

Japan has cancer (metasis).

It is inoperable....

[RuHurt]

Darn it, would someone post a link (preferably not very large, I have a slow connection) to the map?! I wanna see how the game's going, it sounds great! :mad: :D

[TomJag3]

Well, it's still early, only Germany's Turn 2. The Allies need to get average die rolls in the UK turn for the good stuff to happen. AxisRoll is currently vacationing with his family and shortly after his return (tonight) I'll be going to a game convention for the weekend, so we'll have the game back on track by Monday.

Having a partner certainly improves game play, I have someone telling me not to be stupid!!! ButchOHare provides the voice of reason for our team.

On another note, Axis_Roll and I just completed our second game of enhanced. He cleaned my clock in 4 turns. That ties the series.

[AxisRoll]

I'm Back! a_r did G2. Germany adds a fighter. Time to mop up some UK troops in the HEART of Japan NAtion! Zig Hil!

[AxisRoll]

Here is the link. i will update after J2.

http://2e4u.com/TeamAxisRoll/TJ.html

[axis_roll]

Your link doesn't have the latest G2 turn... and it takes forever to download.

You should seperate the turns into different links/files IMHO

[AxisRoll]

well i was going to post once per rd. After Japan's turns sounded good to me.


But splitting up the links is a good idea for size / speed.

[RuHurt]

I second that; I can't download the links that size, and heck, all I'm interested in is the latest turns ;) :P.

[pagan]

3 megs per second ! Never had a problem yet !

[RuHurt]

Shut up. Dial-up, about 3K a sec :mad:.

[TomJag3]

Well, disaster struck. The UK couldn't hit anything.
1Sub,1CV,1DD,1Ftr lost against 2DD's and a transport. That's 9 vs 7 combat factors, with us having the advantage of numbers. We only got one hit.
4 of 5 infantry were lost in FIC fighting 2 infantry before we retreated. That's 5 vs 4 with us having the numbers advantage.

The dice just don't love the UK and are infatuated with Japan.

The UK did succeed in taking Norway. Of course, Norway was undefended.

[RuHurt]

Let's hear it for the brave UK marines! Storming the beaches of Norway, only to meet a line of staring Norwegians... :D

[AxisRoll]

J2, Take out Burytia... and the USA air force. Battleships score 2 hits.

What do you lose?

http://2e4u.com/TeamAxisRoll/J2C.jpg

[AxisRoll]

is this 2 big of an image?

[axis_roll]

is this 2 big of an image?
that was better... acceptable with my whimpy dial-up

[DocD]

Mapview questions....

What's OOL mean? Is this to be done every combat round? Every combat? Why wouldn't the Russians just take infs as casualties?

[axis_roll]

Mapview questions....

What's OOL mean? Is this to be done every combat round? Every combat? Why wouldn't the Russians just take infs as casualties?
yes, it should not have to be done on every turn.

My partner was trying to be nice since there's a nice juicy US bomber mixed in with 2/4 of the US ftr airforce at risk.

In the abscence of a specific OOL indicator by the defender, standard OOl should be used, or a PBEM game could take forever to play.

[AxisRoll]

I also Although there are times when as the attacker, you do want to see what unit is lost to determine what action should be taken for the next rd of combat. possibly, withdrawl or pull the planes. But this is different being an amphibious assult.

[RuHurt]

Yeah, the image size is fine, thanks :).

[pagan]

OOL = Order Of Loss

[TomJag3]

Well, we got lucky with the results of the Japanese attack. The battle resulted in our losing the 8 inf, 1 ftr, and the bomber. They lost 4 inf, 1arm, and 3 fighters. This makes up for our abysmal luck in the UK turn.

This is definitely shaping up into another weird game.

[axis_roll]

I guess that was to even out the horrendeous dice UK got trying to attack their last turn.

[TomJag3]

US takes back China. Russia rolls.

US took China: 3Inf,1Ftr vs 1Inf. No US losses, Russia moves in 4 Inf.
US builds CV,fighter, and tank on WCst and 2Arm in Sinkiang. PacDiv in Sinkiang.
Russia took Karelia: 2Inf,1Ftr vs 1Inf. Both sides lost an infantry in the battle. The fighter flew to the UK carrier.
Russia took Ukrane: 5Inf,1Ftr vs 3Inf,1Art. No Russian losses.
Russia takes Trans-Jordan: 1Inf,1Arm vs 1Inf. Both sides lost an infantry, Suez is closed.

The dice loved the 'good guys' when it counted. Germany now has lots of options.

[pagan]

and all those options probably suck.... (smile)

[axis_roll]

Russia took Ukrane: 5Inf,1Ftr vs 3Inf,1Art. No Russian losses.There is a German-initiated investigation into thei travesty!

Russia takes Trans-Jordan: 1Inf,1Arm vs 1Inf. Both sides lost an infantry, Suez is closed.
DAMN! And I thought The Suez was a 24/7 operation!

[AxisRoll]

Rd3 RF map west view

http://2e4u.com/TeamAxisRoll/R2FW.jpg

[AxisRoll]

This is R3F East View
http://2e4u.com/TeamAxisRoll/R2Fe.jpg

[axis_roll]

Opposing navies play ring-around-UK:

[axis_roll]

Germany eliminates ukraine incursion

[axis_roll]

Germany controls the med... triples transport capacity

[axis_roll]

Nothing but German control markers as far as the eye can see

[AxisRoll]

Zig Hil...

This WAR is turning out to be how hitler wanted it to be.

[AxisRoll]

where is uk? are they ready to concede yet?;)

[axis_roll]

Japan is up! Time to rock

[AxisRoll]

Allies wanna Dance... Let's do the 2 Step!

http://2e4u.com/TeamAxisRoll/TJJ2F.jpg

[cousin_joe]

Wow, just love them pictures :)

Now this is a great game!!! Lots of multi-front action going on here... And is this that infamous Orange Crush people are talking about with Dual factory, and Dual InF-NA??... Japan looks to be in decent shape right now, and Germany, wow, finally the Powerhouse they should be.

Now, the big question here is, will the Axis get their 4 VCs??? Time will tell...

[pagan]

I believe these are the basic concepts.....

ICs = Stall

ICs + US-PAcific = Stall/Kill

pacific fleet + ICs + INF-NAs = Orange Crush

___now remember, that all of these things usually require USSR help at some point. The changes to D-Day allows gemany to go strong at russia OR they can waste less units defending and pop in a strong navy with minor trades on USSR. The multilateral part reomves USSR from hitting japan freely. Now what germany does affects how Japan will be dealt with.
___Orange Crush is death dealing for japan without those two changes.

--these are of course my opinions.

[axis_roll]

I believe these are the basic concepts.....

ICs = Stall

ICs + US-PAcific = Stall/Kill

pacific fleet + ICs + INF-NAs = Orange Crush

___now remember, that all of these things usually require USSR help at some point. The changes to D-Day allows gemany to go strong at russia OR they can waste less units defending and pop in a strong navy with minor trades on USSR. The multilateral part reomves USSR from hitting japan freely. Now what germany does affects how Japan will be dealt with.
___Orange Crush is death dealing for japan without those two changes.

--these are of course my opinions.

Have you play tested these changes yet Pagan?
I ask because I wanted your opinion about:
"Are these changes you speak about above enough to give the axis a fighting chance?"

[pagan]

I played ONE f2f game on saturday.

The changes DRASTICALLY altered the situation.

I was the allies and went with a pacfic kill japan type thing....

germany went big on navy and left AES alone. Dropped units into Algeria and went REAL slow at africa. UK had to pump out Subs (to kill subs) a few DDs and ended up with a double AC. Germany just kept buying 1 SS per round without fail.
Uk got owned on money, thank god they had most of africa.

Germany played smart and just sat on sz6 unitl they got attacked. Everything died. Uk had to start from round 1

Japan used my own tactic against me (BASTARDS!).... BBs & an IC on phillipines... so with USA I knew that I couldn't handle the strafffing attacks since I wanted to put a TN + some INf in the atlantic each round, I wanted ARm on singkiang.... money got short pacific fleet did the Polar Express thing. Which worked sruprisingly well. This Polar express thing really needs to be looked into for the US.

Japan got cocky as soon as I went to alaska, (he knew I was spread out), he went for double ICs. Kwangtung + FIC..... japan lost FIC once, but naval BBs and ARM fixed that minor inconvenience.

US naval presence in the North of the pacific did not threaten the double IC build.
US ended up with 4TNs + 4SS + 2DD + 2AC + 1BB + 4 FTR sitting in sz off of FarEast.

USSR had to help vs Japan's double ICs... then the steady slow IPM from germany eventually everything waws in russia. US was supposed to take over for USSR, but as japan did not want that to occur, he hit US with everything he had. Japan got tired of placing sitting units on japan since he couldn't defend two seazones, USA forces kept getting bigger, strafffing attacks started taking their toll in keeping the US navy down, it was on round 8 that japan finally wasted everything with 3 survivign FTRs left....

once the US navy was dead, 6 ARM per round....germany IPM..... Uk small building 2nd navy....free ICs on asia ...... axis win in a crushing double shot on moscow

it was not easy, but it was definately a good game.

We also used the territory restriction for production to include the INF-NAs. Had I been able to plop on an additional 2 units it would have been different for japan even with the double ICs. since I would have had more units from the onset of the asia-contest

[axis_roll]

Thanks for posting your testing results.

[AxisRoll]

Japs didnt roll so well in india, but i cant complain...

http://2e4u.com/TeamAxisRoll/TJJ4F.jpg

[AxisRoll]

German Transport shoots down UK bomber in Brazil. So far, he is the MVP of the AxisRoll Team.

http://2e4u.com/TeamAxisRoll/TJJ4Fw.jpg

[RuHurt]

Those links don't open for me... are you sure they work, or is my computer being stupid again? :o

[AxisRoll]

they work for me, but they are on my web server. which is having issues with my new firewall allowing access into the site. i am working on it.

[AxisRoll]

ok firewall fixed, so pictures should be fine. any issues, let me know.

[RuHurt]

Yup, links work fine, thanks :)

[AxisRoll]

good to hear, and I am glad to have my firewall working... now i can get on to better things.

[AxisRoll]

I had to reroll india battle due to a error.

[AxisRoll]

We need a dice server for enhanced. if anyone has web code, i have a server. I need to get better at coding java

[ButchOHare1]

Hey I just looked at the reroll map. Wow I thought Allies looked pretty good before that reroll. Now I'd say the game is over. Tom do you want to fight on?

[axis_roll]

Hey I just looked at the reroll map. Wow I thought Allies looked pretty good before that reroll. Now I'd say the game is over. Tom do you want to fight on?
The reroll was a travesty of dice.... sorry

8 inf difference

although the first roll we got a little humped....

[TomJag3]

Let's keep going, they might forget to buy units for a few turns and let us get back in the game. :-)

[AxisRoll]

When the axis are high fiving, its isnt a good sign for the allies.

http://2e4u.com/TeamAxisRoll/TJJ5F.jpg

[cousin_joe]

Oh my!!! :eek: I don't know if these guys can be stopped!!!

[AxisRoll]

Their Ship is sinking. The German war machine is rolling tonight.

[TomJag3]

Yup, they've convinced me that India cannot be held. I'll have to look at an alternative Allied strategy in future games.

[TomJag3]

Resistance is futile, I concede to the A-R's who are on a roll.

[ButchOHare1]

You guys got game. Tom showed me the ropes a little with Enhanced "Uh Ted that won't work...no that won't work either...not that...no, no let's not try that...hmm..." :) It's a good rule set for sure.

I'm just ****** we can't rematch poolside next month. :(

[axis_roll]

I might host another weekend in late June....

[cousin_joe]

Any chance of seeing the final map guys? :)

[anton1983]

Hey how do you play with partner? If there is somebody outthere who wants to be my partner against this axisroll please reply so we can kick their buts! And you Axisroll standby!

For mother Russia................

[AxisRoll]

anton1983... looks like you need a smoke break to relax. all in due time. no rush getting thumped.

[AxisRoll]

I will do final maps tonight. Team AxisRoll is undefeated!

[AxisRoll]

Final Maps to follow

[AxisRoll]

TJJ6F1 axis roll

http://2e4u.com/TeamAxisRoll/TJJ6F1.jpg

[AxisRoll]

TJJ6F2

http://2e4u.com/TeamAxisRoll/TJJ6F2.jpg

[AxisRoll]

and the winner is???????

http://2e4u.com/TeamAxisRoll/TJJ6F3.jpg

[cousin_joe]

Congratulations Team AR! :)


Wow!!! Enhanced really is a lot faster moving than AH/LHTR - 6 rounds! Don't get too confident though! ;)

[AxisRoll]

Yes, I like how games move along. more channels to explore. it is very interesting when both sides attack other areas instead of countering the aggressors moves. then it goes to which capital falls first.