unbeatable grudge match: series vs allweneedislove

[AllWeNeedIsLove.]

i am not sure what a grudge match is but i like the sound of it.

series has been posting for a while that he has an unbeatable strategy so i have taken on the challenge to prove series wrong.

game: aar
via: aaa
bid: place whole bid pregame

[AllWeNeedIsLove.]

series strategy is for the axis so he asks if he can have the axis with a bid of 6ipc. 6 sounds like a low bid to me, but as it is place entire bid it seems pretty fair.

bid placement: nothing? series pockets the 6ipc for germany

[axis_roll]

8 * 6 = 48
That's 7 transports for 14 ground unit attack on UK on G2.

Not sure what he's buying with 46 though ...

[AllWeNeedIsLove.]

r1
purchase: 5inf 1art 1tank

attack: wrus with 9inf 2art 1tank and only lose 1inf
: ukr with 3inf 1art 2tank 2fig. rd1 g loses 1inf, russia losses 3inf 1art and runs with thier tails between thier legs. huge setback for russians

ncm: figs and kaz inf - cauc to bolster defence against powerful german ukraine. rest of units move east.

g1
purchase: 1carrier 10inf

attack: sbr cauc for -4ipc

: sz13 1sub 3fig, allies get lucky and bb takes sub and 1fig down
: walks in karelia

ncm: transports libya forces to ukraine in power move against russia, and concedes africa. stacks in ukraine and karelia. leaves weur with only 5units baiting uk to attack.

uk1
purchase: 2inf 1tran 1ic

attack: des car fig(egy) kill j tran
: sub and fig(sz35) kill solomon sub

ncm: bomber east to threaten potential j tran builds
: sz35 fig lands on pearl carrier
: sz35 tran to sz36 to block east indies bb
: egy destroyer to sz 35
: atlantic fleets doesnt move
: egypt tank and middle east inf move east
: egy inf moves south, s/afr inf moves north
: place ic in india

j1
japan takes a while to decide purchase and move as allies use pressure japan strategy
purchase: 3inf 1tank 2tran

attack: sz36 bb ac kills uk tran
: sz59 bb ac des 3fig vs des ac fig, japan clears uk and loses des and 1fig.
: china 3inf(kwang) 2inf(man) 3fig 1bom. japan scores major victory with no losses

ncm: inf and tank transported to kwang, 5figs bom land in kwang
: manchuria unoccupied, 2inf fic do not move
: place 2tran in sz61

us1
us is excited that pearl was not attacked and goes for kjf
purchase: 3tran 1ac

attack: wus units take algeria
: hawaiian inf transported to solomons with all of sz52 and sz55
: alaska cus wus inf and aagun to wcan
: bom and both us based fighters accidently moved to wcan, so they can not be loaded onto newly purchased ac
: placed 3tran 1ac in sz55

[AllWeNeedIsLove.]

hmm because im tech stupid i cant seem to get aaa file uploaded. so no one will be able to see what is going on. all of my typing will be to hard to understand and is wasted. damn.

oh well im bored so will continue to post moves, even though nobody is going to read them as it is so hard to follow.

[axis_roll]

round 1 and even round 2 moves can be followed since the set up (and moves, for the most part) are the same

[AllWeNeedIsLove.]

ok well if axis_roll can understand here is round 2.

r2
purchase: with depleted income only 6inf 1art

attack: 1 of 6inf in bury walks into man
: wrus stack does not trade dead zone in belo or attack 8 units in karelia, but does attack stack in ukraine with wrus and cauc and tank in russia. 13inf 2art 5tank 2fig vs 5inf 1art 4tank 2fig odds our russia only losses 9inf. russia emerges victorious with only 6inf lost compared to 5inf 1art 4 tank 2figs lost for the germans. beggining of round 2 and the germans could say goodnight

ncm: wrus and arch have 1inf while ukr has 7inf 2art 5tank 1aagun

g2
heres were series turns on the unbeatable strategy
purchase: 2sub 3tran

attacks: takes wrus with 1inf and 1fig
: takes karelia with 4inf 2tank and does not have to worry about counter as russia only has 3inf and caucs 2fig is not enough to counter

ncm: transports algeria inf that moved to libya in round 1 to balkans to have a stack of 9inf 2art 1tank 1fig to equal russian ukr stack.
: 4inf eeur sit
: only 2inf in nor, and 3inf 2tank in weur begging the uk to attack so germany can launch operation sea lion with its 4 transports in the baltic to go with its 4 subs

uk2
uk must be careful of sea lion but also wants to use its indian ic
purchase: 4inf 1art 3tank

attack: bomber in yakut attacks 2 undefended transports in sz61, unfortunatly for the uk it ends in a draw but most importantly in stalls japan

ncm: transports canaidian units to uk for a total of 9inf 1art 3tank 2fig 1aagun to repell a sea lion attempt, small uk navy stays in sz2
: aus tran loaded with 2inf links with indian des in sz30
: placed 2arm 1art in india for a stack of 5inf 1art 3tank 1fig

j2
purchase: 4trans to rebuild its fleet

attacks: sink with 5inf 1tank 5fig 1bom vs 4inf(2rus 2us) and captures with 1inf loss
: oddly does not attack the 1inf in manchuria
:1inf in fic, 1inf tank in kwang, 2inf 5fig 1bom in china

ncm: places 4tran in sz61 with bb and ac escort backed up by 1tran bb ac in sz59

us2
purchase: 4figs

attacks: 4 algeria units walk into libya
: bb ac sub tran and fig move from solomons to borneo sz. 2inf 1fig and bb attacks 1inf borneo... whats this in a stunning turn of events the dice gods are angered at the american arrogance and spite them. bb misses 2inf 1fig misses, j inf hits. 1inf 1 fig misses j inf hits again. japan dodges a bullet

ncm: 2tran 1des sz 12 to sz2
: 5inf aagun wcan transported to solomons, solomons sz has 3tran 2fig(wcan) ac panama des and uk sub
: hawaiian fig joins borneo fleet
: 4figs placed in wus

end of round 2 japan is under heavy pacific pressure(eased considerably by the miracle in borneo) and ground pressure from india, but controls china and pressures novo and kaz. germany is pressuring russia proper but is also being pressured from the south by the russians. uk is just hanging on with the real threat of an operation sea lion.

[Maj.Striker]

I'm following as well...keep us updated. So far Series strategy seems far from unbeatable and I am already seeing flaws in logic but I'd better keep my mouth shut since the game is far from over.

[Lt M Cotten]

Yeah, keep us posted, and hurry up with the next round! :D

[DocD]

Seems like the unbeatable strategy is a "German Sealion Variant: Knife at Moscow"....very rare, but not unheard of......but, better keep my mouth shut until game over.

PS. 5 bucks on Series the WonderKID! :D

[axis_roll]

I don't necessarily think that's the best buy on UK1. Especially if Germany adds the A/C and (gasp!) bails from africa.

Hopefully Love won't be made to pay for that....

[Vollick1979]

This is on G5:

http://img239.exs.cx/img239/4738/seriesawniledited1iv.jpg

[AllWeNeedIsLove.]

hey vollick thanks for posting the screen shots. could you change that screen shot to maybe something in round2

i will post upto round 5

maybe you could post screenshots for everyround if it is not too difficult for you

if you could post the entire game up till now that would be good to so if anyone actualy wants to see how the game porgressed they can check it.

[Vollick1979]

Still on G5

http://img124.exs.cx/img124/5770/seriesawnil23lm.jpg

[Vollick1979]

Still on G5

http://img107.exs.cx/img107/9512/testedited1jc.jpg

[Me 262 Schwalbe]

PS. 5 bucks on Series the WonderKID! :D

You're on Doc!
(Murphy's law #6523: Always wait untill G5 screenshots to place your bets :D )

[Vollick1979]

http://img107.exs.cx/img107/8758/testedited5ub.jpg

[series]

AWNIL's Pacific tactics were something I wasn't quite prepared for. I remember that he defeated joe with his KJF! And I suck as Japan. But oh well, wait until my strategy is unleashed (*unless it is too late*)

[RuHurt]

This is interesting... though it's a little hard, looking that the screen shots of battles that haven't happened yet... ;)

Oh, and I've got my money on Love; 10 bucks :D.

[Lt M Cotten]

No offense Series, but I have yet to see how that is UNbeatable. Good luck on proving me wrong.

[AllWeNeedIsLove.]

r3
purchase: 7inf 1art 1 tank

attack: cant attack arch and balkans, i thought long about attacking 4inf in eeur but decided to pull back
: belo 2inf 2fig vs 1inf r captures
: wrus 6inf 2art 2tank vs 1inf r captures

ncm: pulls out of ukr leaving 1inf
: because of j tank in sink, 1inf to both novo and kaz
: bury pulls to yak to make stack of 6inf
: inf in man sits
: forgot to move aagun to wrus to protect 10 units, realizes as soon as i click done, lets hope germany doesnt notice

g3
purchase: 9inf 1arm and another tran!

attack: belo 4inf 1tank vs 2inf capture with 1inf loss
: ukr 9inf 2art bb vs 1inf capture with no losses
: of course germany noticed that there was no aagun and makes the risky attack into wrus. 4inf 2tank 3fig 1bom vs 6inf 2art 2tank. germany clears with 2fig and bom left

ncm: 2inf nor to kar
: weur still only has 5 units baiting the uk
: lands last 2figs on the carrier and places 5th tran in baltic

uk3
under the heat of sea lion and no support from the us a max ground unit build will not save the uk. naval units must be purchased to cut off g fleet in sz6. good thing for uk, that g could not move its fleet out because it would not of had enough units to threaten sealion from sz7.
purchase: 2inf for india and car and sub for atlantic blockade

attack: walks in nor with 1nf via sz6. only 1inf because g can take down atlantic blockade and could still threaten sealion.
: foolish attack on east indies 2inf vs 2inf japan holds with both inf
: fic 2inf 1fig vs 1inf capture no losses
: place sub and carrier with 2fighters in sz6 with existing 3tran and bb

j3
with huge pacific pressure japan is forced to decide between naval build or ground units.
purchase: 4inf 1art 3tank

attack: curious that 4 ground units in china and kwang did not attack 1inf in man or 2inf in fic???
: sbr russia aagun hits(i dont know why anyone sbrs it is such a waste of a bomber, what could be more infuriating than losing a bomber like this)
: kaz 4inf 1tank vs 1inf, capture with no losses

ncm: 2inf 1tank 1fig to sink
: 8inf 1art to kwang
: 5tran 2ac 2bb 4fig to sz59 to try and match us naval pressure
: place 4inf 1art 3tank in japan to go with aagun baiting us to attack with 4fig and 5 solomon inf

us3
purchase: 2bom save 13ipc

attack: east indies 2inf 2fig 1bom vs 2inf capture with no losses
: us wants vengence in borneo. 3inf 2fig bb vs 1 crazy powerful inf. battleship hits!!!

ncm: bom to india
: 2tran 1des to sz6 to join ukfleet
: 4fig to wcan
: 1tran in east indies sz covered by 1uktran and 1uk des
: borneo sz 3tran 1sub 1des 1bb 2ac 4fig
: place bombers in wus

us is really putting the screws to japan. russia is in hot water. germany is trying to press russia and uk. uk looks like it will lose atlantic fleet but in doing so germany will have to sacrifice transports and should gaurantee uk stability in the long run.

[series]

us is really putting the screws to japan. russia is in hot water. germany is trying to press russia and uk. uk looks like it will lose atlantic fleet but in doing so germany will have to sacrifice transports and should gaurantee uk stability in the long run.

Well, as for the UK thing, I'd say our ships are in a stalemate- if you attack me, you will lose, and if I attack you, I will lose- well, if not the battle, most of the expensive navies.

[series]

No offense Series, but I have yet to see how that is UNbeatable. Good luck on proving me wrong.

I actually did three things wrong in the game. I thought I figured out a way to make the strategy even better... yeah, I was wrong. I wont give it away, but as you may have guessed, 2 of the things have to do with japan.

I might have a game with that guy named after a plane, I will stick to the strategy completely for that game. Damn it Series, if it ain't broke, don't fix it!

*Edit* Yeah, I just did the math, and two of those new "improvements" to the strategy completely screwed me over. Also, AllWeNeedIsLove's excellent Pacific Tactics were something I wasn't quite prepared for.

[AllWeNeedIsLove.]

r4
purchase: 7inf 1art 1tank

attack: blitz empty arc
: no attack on ukr stack as it is too large for the russians
: kaz 3inf 1art 2tank 2fig vs 4inf 1tank captured with 2inf loss

ncm: 5 of yaks 6inf fall back to novo
: both wrus and arc are russian owned but unocupied
: figs land in cauc for a stack of 10inf 2art 2tank 2fig 2aagun. 2aagun??? yes i accidently moved my aagun to cauc. this stack is too big for ukr stack to attack. it might even push the germans back.
: moved sub to sz6 for a combined allied fleet of 5tran 2sub 1des 1ac 1bb 2fig

g4
g must decide if it is going to attack british fleet at the expense of losing its own massive baltic fleet.
purchase: 5inf 5tank

attack: series was good enough not to sbr russia without an aagun
: 1tank blitzes through wrus to arc claiming both as german land
: 1inf transported to algeria. the bb went along for the ride. as a little extra pressure on the uk

ncm: evacuates ukr, stacks belo with 12inf 2art. kar has 4inf. eeur has 6inf 1tank 1bom. weur still only has 5units

uk4
purchase: 2inf 1art for india. fig and car for sz6

attack: tran in east indies loads inf in fic and unloads in empty philipeans
: other inf in fic walks into china
: weur 2inf 1art 2tank 2fig bb vs 3inf 2tank aagun. uk gets a little lucky and captures weur with loss of 2inf 1art

ncm: 1inf india to fic
: place ground units in india
: place 1car 1fig in sz6. the allied fleet should be large enough to defend itself for good. no more threat of sea lion and can start pumping units into weur and or nor
uk production hits 45

j4
j continues with its asia mainland-pressure russia strategy
purchase: 5inf 3tank

attack: 10inf 1art 1tank 1fig to china vs inf. captured with no losses
: 4inf 1art 3tank transported to bury via sz60
: still no attack on fic or the lone r inf in man

ncm: 2ac 2bb 4fig support the 5tran in sz60
: unfortunate count for j, fig that attacked china had to land in kwang unprotected

us4
purchase: 1bom 1fig 2ic 2inf(just incase gs med tran and bb try and be sneaky)

attack: j has no more rich islands and us wants to cut its legs out from underneath to stop the ground units pumping into asia.
: js navy is in sz60 us brings everything it can. 1bom(ind) 2bom(wus) 4fig(wcan) 3tran 1sub 1des 2ac 4fig 1bb(sz48) for a total of
3tran 1sub 1des 2ac 8fig 3bom 1bb vs 5tran 2ac 2bb 4fig.
us wins with 2bb 3bom 1fig 1tran and 2ac left. 2ac??? yes i accidently clicked transports as casualties when i tryed to click acs

ncm: 3bom and fig to phil
: place 1ic borneo ic east indies 2inf 1fig 1bom eus

thing look very good for the allies. j is in shambles and will fold, despite having a decent ground unit in asia. g missed its chance to take down the combined allied atlantic fleet. us has more ipc then they know what to do with. uk is very rich and is going to start making the germans pay. russia still in hot water but nothing they cant handle.

[DocD]

uh series?....can I have some of that money you won off my game so I can pay off my bets on YOU!! :D

[AllWeNeedIsLove.]

oh doc your broke and soon to be beaten. that is if you stop backing out and play me.

[series]

love, lets finish before ending it

[AllWeNeedIsLove.]

love, lets finish before ending it
im not sure what that means. but if it means you want to finish the game then i agree

[AllWeNeedIsLove.]

r5
realizing that the western powers have things well in hand russia just needs to keep itself alive
purchases: 9inf

attack: 1inf walks into sink
: tank blitzes ukr
: arc 2inf 2fig vs 1tank captured losing 1inf
: 13inf 2art 5tank aagun walk into wrus

ncm: placed inf

this is where we left off. we were playing realtime aaa so there is no long thinking sessions for every move that might explain the few missteps such as the wrong count for a landing fighter and forgetting to move aaguns.

allies look like they are in a commanding position. i await germanys turn, but i think it is only a matter of time before the axis concede.

[Maj.Striker]

It's looking tough for the Axis for sure...

[cousin_joe]

r5
realizing that the western powers have things well in hand russia just needs to keep itself alive
purchases: 9inf

attack: 1inf walks into sink
: tank blitzes ukr
: arc 2inf 2fig vs 1tank captured losing 1inf
: 13inf 2art 5tank aagun walk into wrus

ncm: placed inf

this is where we left off. we were playing realtime aaa so there is no long thinking sessions for every move that might explain the few missteps such as the wrong count for a landing fighter and forgetting to move aaguns.

allies look like they are in a commanding position. i await germanys turn, but i think it is only a matter of time before the axis concede.

I can see the headlines on the front page of tomorrow's A&A Post...

Series slaughtered again!!! The Ultimate Strategy exposed as the Ultimate Flop!!! :D

So AllWeNeedIsLove, congrats on a well run game, but when is TripleA going to give us what we really want, A&A: Enhanced? :)

[Maj.Striker]

Only you want that, my friend...a majority of us are content with the game as is.

[Vollick1979]

Well I would like to see Enhanced on Triple A, but i'm not sure how many more revisions of Enhanced there is going to be and i'm no programmer but some of the rules in Enhanced are rather tricky, not to mention NA's and i'm not sure Triple A can handle it.

[series]

Me and love didn't finish yet (his computer froze after a perfect German turn- hopefully it saved right). Anyway, now it's pretty much who reaches Tokyo/Moscow first. Still plenty of time left in the game.

[Lt M Cotten]

Only you want that, my friend...a majority of us are content with the game as is.

Acutally I would like to see Enhanced released as a CD-ROM to replace the aging Iron Blitz! :D

[AllWeNeedIsLove.]

yes series it saved ok. and i sent uk turn via pbem, so japan is up.

g5
"germanys perfect turn"
purchase: 3sub 5inf

attack: weur 3inf 1tank vs 2tank retaken with 2inf loss
: 1inf walks into norway
: 1inf walks into ukr
: sneaky med bb and tran take brazil(allies lose total control of south america)

ncm: loaded up karelia with 20inf 2art 4tank 1bom

uk5
purchase: 2inf 2art 2tank 1fig 1tran

attack: kwang 1inf 1tank 1fig vs 1fig captured no losses
: weur 5inf 1tank vs 1inf 1tank liberated with 1inf loss

ncm: placed ground units in uk, and tran in sz6 armada

a quick snapshot of stats
axis/allies

ipcs
61/124

production
49/117

units
94/129

total unit value
486/812

[AllWeNeedIsLove.]

So AllWeNeedIsLove, congrats on a well run game, but when is TripleA going to give us what we really want, A&A: Enhanced? :)
thanks.

i always inquire about the same thing.

long awnser: one of the developers said aaa 5.2 should be out next week. and it has some progress on lhtr stuff. so it is one step in the right direction. once lhtr then hopfully aare, but aare will probably have to wait untill after aae and aap as those two games are currently being worked on.

short awnser: i dont know

[RuHurt]

Sorry, Series; I have faith in your master plan, but I think you got nailed this game. Better luck against 262, though (and don't try any more "improvements" ;) ).

[AllWeNeedIsLove.]

this game has been severly stalled. it has been 12 days since r7, i have asked several times for g7 or play realtime to finish this game. series will not send g7 or concede. what is going on series?

a quick snapshot after r7

axis/allies

ipcs
33/127

production
40/126

units
86/148

total unit value
391/912

russia is out producing both g and j, russia has more units than g and j, and a higher total unit value than g and j.

series do you still want to continue? or should you change the rankings now.

[AllWeNeedIsLove.]

good game series. although you kinda dragged things out a bit.

japan fell on us7. germany fell on uk8. and all axis units except an inf in new guinea were completly wiped off the board. yes series actually made me destroy every unit and take every territory except new guinea, wake and caroline islands.

series please adjust the rankings now

[Zero Pilot]

yes series actually made me destroy every unit and take every territory except new guinea, wake and caroline islands.

I believe in "it ain't over 'till it's over"... but wow. ~ZP

[series]

AllWeNeedIsLove, I believe when I asked if we should continue your exact words were: "That sounds good". You are making it look like I forced you to do all that.

[nerdx]

......... I like butter

[pagan]

Conceeding is something YOU do Series. (since you were losing this game)

Finishing the play-out is absurd, and it is based on YOUR decisions not to conceed the game.

This is a simple concept.

[RuHurt]

Hey, whatever, the game's over. I woulda conceded, but there's no rule that says you have to. Even if it would be ridiculously pig-headed to continue... ;)

[AxisRoll]

that is something that has been an issue in the past. how long do you go before you concide.

[AxisRoll]

Like going for sea lion in AAR, we made a FTF rule, if you go for it and lose, you have to continue and take the beating. or else what is the consequence.

[series]

There's something none of you get. I conceded officially at 4 PM EST. However, the game was over at 5. Why? Well we started a new game and I realized that I hated Low Luck, so I asked if we could start again. Since we only had like a half hour left each, I decided "Hey, wanna finish that match I conceded to for fun?" And he said "Yes, that sounds good". If I, say, captured Moscow, I still wouldn't have won. It would be as if the Ohio Recounts anounced Kerry the winner, after he conceded. See? Kerry didn't make them recount, but they did anyway, and he still lost. Same story with me.

[newaxis]

Hey, does anyone have an IP address locator? We can solve whether Nerdx is series once and for all, lol.

[axis_roll]

Hey, does anyone have an IP address locator? We can solve whether Nerdx is series once and for all, lol.
I thought that fact was a given already........

[newaxis]

I haven't been around on the boards long enough I guess. I missed the "proof".

[series]

I haven't been around on the boards long enough I guess. I missed the "proof".

Actually, Moderator Sinister did check the IP addresses and we are not the same person. This forum DOES have a search button, check it out.

[Zero Pilot]

Like going for sea lion in AAR, we made a FTF rule, if you go for it and lose, you have to continue and take the beating. or else what is the consequence.

I like it!!! ~ZP

[series]

Like going for sea lion in AAR, we made a FTF rule, if you go for it and lose, you have to continue and take the beating. or else what is the consequence.

You could stab him, hit on his girl, pluck his eyebrows, papercut him with the IPCs, shove some infantry up......., make him eat the pieces, etc.

Plenty of consequences.

[AxisRoll]

come on, get a partner, and take it like the rest of the AH boards!!!