Kingmaker Q: Check-ups

[boylermaker]

These are various questions where the rules seem to point decidedly toward one interpretation, but it just doesn't feel right. I have often found that when I get this feeling, it is because I have read something in the rules that I cannot find later. But sometimes it's just a feeling.

1. Can one play titles, offices, or bishoprics during another's turn?
The rules say "at any time," but it just doesn't seem fair to all of a sudden put 300 troops on a noble when someone attacks him.

2. Is a town taken if all the attacking nobles die in the siege?
The rules clearly say yes, but it has always bothered me.

3. Must the bishops be willing for a coronation to take place?
The rules suggest no, but it doesn't seem fair in any way to sneak up on someone and use their bishops without their permission.

[canvasback]

1. Can one play titles, offices, or bishoprics during another's turn?
The rules say "at any time," but it just doesn't seem fair to all of a sudden put 300 troops on a noble when someone attacks him.


This game is really is not about fairness. At all. I think I've said this before. I've some pretty wildstories about this game, and pretty much all of them could be viewed as unfair to one side or another.


2. Is a town taken if all the attacking nobles die in the siege?
The rules clearly say yes, but it has always bothered me.


Is this really true? It seems like the group I was with did not play this way. Then again, the situation rarely occurs (from my experience anyway). It may be that this was erratta-ed in a copy of the General, but I don't know for sure.


3. Must the bishops be willing for a coronation to take place?
The rules suggest no, but it doesn't seem fair in any way to sneak up on someone and use their bishops without their permission.

????

It seems to me that since you need the heir in your stack to coronate, you also need the bishops' offices in your stack as well to coronate or tolerate a willing ally to cohabitate your space who by extension would be willing to do the coronation. Hmmmm, I would check up again on this if I were you.


I'm just going off of memory with my answers by the way. I don't want to suggest I'm an expert on any of this in anyway.

[boylermaker]

1. and 2. I have confirmed that-even though they feel wrong-this way is correct. It was in the "Examples of Play" section of the Rulebook.

As to 3., I believe the rule says they must only be in the cathedral, not in the stack. But I'll check on that.

[canvasback]

Hmmm, interesting. I suppose what that means is if no one has played, for example, Archbishop of York, and you occupy York, then the Archbishop must perform the ceremony.

[Viridovix]

1. and 2. yes (but some people modify this rule in: "anytime in your turn" to avoid what you say in your example

3. how you can force a enemy bishop to partecipate? The card must be assigned to a noble partecipating to crowning ceremony... Thus what canvasback states is not possible. We had a case of enemy that help the crowning with his own archbishop, but:
a. was in open field (a small town with cathedral)
b. with this crowning there are 2 crowned king
c. he has the chancellor of england
:-)

[boylermaker]

There is no king. I have no bishops. I have Richard of York. I draw "Parliament must be summoned if there is no sole king." I declare Parliament in York. An Archbishop from another faction comes to attend Parliament.

Parliament is over; now it's my turn. I have Richard in a cathedral city, and there is an archbishop in the city. Can I coronate Richard?

[Viridovix]

Depends on other player (archbishop owner)... he can decide to help your coronation or not, but you cannot force him to celebrate...

He can decide to help you, in order to make your king called by event cards... strange but sometimes happens...

V.