Card play....question

[holywolfman]

We just played our first game....we had a blast! I was just wondering a a bit: as soon as you draw a "millitary" research card....can you use it that same turn as you draw it? (or) does it have to be on your NEXT turn?

Just wondering!- :confused: (We play you can play it right away!)- ;) Is that correct?

Oh..one more thing: the millitary units get a "smash" only on a "6"...the Monsters DON'T...do they? The "Giant" millitary units DO get the smash on a "6", Correct?

[Da Black Gobo]

We just played our first game....we had a blast! I was just wondering a a bit: as soon as you draw a "millitary" research card....can you use it that same turn as you draw it? (or) does it have to be on your NEXT turn?

Just wondering!- :confused: (We play you can play it right away!)- ;) Is that correct?

Oh..one more thing: the millitary units get a "smash" only on a "6"...the Monsters DON'T...do they? The "Giant" millitary units DO get the smash on a "6", Correct?

1. Yep, as soon as you draw it, in the deploy phase it becomes active. Remember though since it become active in the 4th phase of your turn, you could say move the newly activated giant military unit, because that takes place in phase one of your turn. You would have to wait till next turn to move that unit.

2. No, monsters also can smash. It was not stated well in the rule book, but take a look at the tenticle mutation card. Note it mentioned smash attacks. Since only monsters can have mutations, this clearly means monsters have the smash ability the same as units. Also you are correct GIANT military units also have the smash ability.

Hope I helped you, any more questions feel free to ask, we love to play this game in our home.

Sean

[holywolfman]

Thanks....I think this game will be a "HIT"!!! (it is very entertaining to say the least!)- :D

[holywolfman]

OK- got another question (or 2) for ya:

1) If someone has the "X"-fighter millitary card out and the planes are launched....can a player play a "Budget Cut-Backs" card to get rid of the X-Fighter card....to rid of the X-Fighters?

Basically, if you git rid of the X-Fighter card, does that eliminate the fighters as well? (or) are the fighters still on the board to be used?

2) I assume the "Hex" spaces around the Charts (bottom) and the Game title are actual spaces for movement....is that correct?

[Da Black Gobo]

1. Base on the way I read the cards, the following cards once in play would be exempt from Budget cuts. X-fighters, Captain Colossal, and Mega-Monster. Reason being that they all are military units that have already been deployed. But, nothing is mentioned anywhere in the rule book so a case could be made to the contrary.

2. I would reason yes to the partial hexes. I see no reason why they would come into play though.

Both questions are really up to the players before the game to agree to, since neither are covered by the rule book.

Sean

[holywolfman]

1. Base on the way I read the cards, the following cards once in play would be exempt from Budget cuts. X-fighters, Captain Colossal, and Mega-Monster. Reason being that they all are military units that have already been deployed. But, nothing is mentioned anywhere in the rule book so a case could be made to the contrary.

2. I would reason yes to the partial hexes. I see no reason why they would come into play though.

Both questions are really up to the players before the game to agree to, since neither are covered by the rule book.

Sean


...Just some more "food for thought":

Actually the (2) GIANT unit cards...when drawn/deployed, the card is DISCARDED (can't stop it from being played!)....the X-fighters card is STILL in play even after being played (as a reference card? perhaps...?)- that's why I am a bit confused of what to do!

I see the "argument" of BOTH sides.....my brother says that "Budget Cuts" would cut the X-fighter program rendering the planes USELESS (gone)....does that make more sense? LIKE YOU SAID....might be a judgement call!

[Da Black Gobo]

Both Mega-Monster and Captain Colossal say at the bottom of the card DISCARD after use. So, I believe the card is discarded after the Mega-Monster and Captain Colossal are defeated. In other words the card is in USE until removed or the fighters/giant units are destroyed.

Also the rules state that the cards overide the rules, so with that in mind the latest card played would trump previous cards in play.

Base on that observation, I do believe a very good case could be made that the Buget Cuts would remove any of the above from play! A very powerful card.

Sean

[holywolfman]

...Thanks Sean: We play it that "Budget Cuts" CAN knock off the X-Fighters...indeed making the card powerful! (also a GREAT 'bargaining' chip in a FFA game)- :D

[holywolfman]

...oh...oh....which just made me think of another question (sorry):

Some cards CLEARLY state that you use a mutation card during the "Monster Challenge" while some cards don't.... (may be a 'no-brainer' but want to know for sure)....can you carry over a mutation that gives you -1 movement/ +1 defense (like Scaled armor)-let's say!? (We play that it DOES carry into the Challenge around...I mean the creature still has that mutation, so why wouldn't it still have it in the Challenge Round...TRUE? Just making sure!

Thanks again!

[Da Black Gobo]

Your correct, certain cards like It's a Robot! or High-Octane Blood state they only can be used during the monster challenge. Other card such as Laser Beam Eyes would carry over but be of no use during the challenge ude to thier effect. Other card work both in the challenge AND during normal play, examples War Spikes, Whip Tentacles, Winged Horror, and Armored Scales. Also other cards have limited use in a monster challenge, examples Atomic Breath that only works in the 1st round of battle, Berserk that gives you 5 extra attacks then is discarded, and Son of a Monster a one shot card.

Sean

[Xerik]

I have a slight addition to being able to play a card immediate after drawing it. It seems once you draw a card, your turn is over since you are capable of making no more actions. Obvious military cards that have a constant benifit come into play immediatly. However, allowing other cards to be played means budget cuts are very weak. Ex. my enemy drew chopper lift and immediatly dropped me next to the mass of the army. Had i been able, on my turn i would have budget cutted his chopper lift and saved ~8 health.

[holywolfman]

Yeah...that is POSSIBLE! Budget Cuts is a "nasty" card but there are ways around it! (Usually most cards read..."played any time during your turn...")-by drawing it, it is still your turn until you say "pass" or say.."Ok-that's it..." (or) at least that's how it is in our group! ;)

[vogless]

I played the other day with my wife and we decided that the cuts would not cut the units. This was mainly due to the fact that after finally pulling one of the units, it would be totally lame to see it removed without getting in a few licks. I think it's a little more balanced to remove the units with a multiplayer game because there may be multiple "special" units on the board and definitly more chances to draw more. My 2 cents. Other than that the rules were pretty tight. When can we expect an official FAQ?

[Mac-Abre]

Here is another mutation which undermines the giant units. The 'Radiation Field' card states that a military unit destroys itself if it rolls a 1, so Captain Collosal and Mecha-Monster would destroy themselves on a roll of 1 against a monster with this mutation, if taken literally.

[boylermaker]

I would say that the Cpt Colossal and MechaMonster cards are discarded as soon as you play the card, rendering them immune to Budget Cuts. After all, they get a record card. X-fighters' card stays in, which I would assume means that they can be targeted by Budget Cuts. However, thisi is just my two cents: there is no obvious (or even a not-so-obvious) correct answer to this. I guess we wait for the FAQ.

[mk31bolo]

Both Mega-Monster and Captain Colossal say at the bottom of the card DISCARD after use. So, I believe the card is discarded after the Mega-Monster and Captain Colossal are defeated. In other words the card is in USE until removed or the fighters/giant units are destroyed.

Also the rules state that the cards overide the rules, so with that in mind the latest card played would trump previous cards in play.

Base on that observation, I do believe a very good case could be made that the Buget Cuts would remove any of the above from play! A very powerful card.

Sean

In most games, a card is considered "used" when it's instructions have been followed. Once Capt. Colossal or Mecha-Monster are on the board and the tile taken, the card's instructions are complete, and thus it's discarded, making it immune to Budget Cuts. X-Fighters very explicity states: "Discard this card after both fighters are destroyed." Consistancy would demand that the giant military units' cards would say the same if the cards stayed in play.