Vehicle Scale.?

[XAos]

Ignoring the size of the infantry figures, which may very depending on nationality 5'10" US infantry 5'4" Japanese infantry etc.

Does anyone know the actual scale of the vehicles in AAM.?

The picture in Scrye shows an M-18 & a US? infantry in scale with each other. i.e. both "Pictures" are slightly over-sized for 15mm figures. But there is nothing in the picture to show the actual size of the figures.

[Der Panzinator]

A 15mm tank will fit nicely in the palm of your hand. Take the mouse you have in your hand and imagine about half that size.

They are actually fairly large when it comes to tabletop games. In Flames of War you typically need a fairly large table to really do justice to the scale of the pieces. With A&AM the board should help to dictate the game size instead of tabletop terrain.

[TheFoeHammer]

15mm equates roughly to 1:107 scale.

[whiteorca]

A rule of "thumb" regarding 15 mm :) ... they are roughly the size of a mid sized adult thumbnail

[Der Panzinator]

A rule of "thumb" regarding 15 mm :) ... they are roughly the size of a mid sized adult thumbnail

For an infantry that is. ;)

[SeattleGamer]

Okay, for a bit more specificity and a little less "rule of thumbnail" . . .

15mm should be the height of an average male from bottom of his feet to either (a) his eyes, or (b) the top of his head. There are two ways to go because having only one way would be less confusing, and we can't allow that now, can we. This is one of the reasons two companies can make a figure and advertise it as being Xmm in size, and yet they are not quite compatible. But I digress.

I read somewhere that they tend to go for the slightly taller "average" than reality, which is why any scale already has scale creep built in. I'm sure an average male of the 20th century is nowhere near 6' tall, but that's the height I've read they go with.

So 15mm should equal the height of a soldier, which is 6' more or less. Tack on a helmet or cap or whatever, and your typical infantry figure may be 16mm or so tall. Which is (for the metrically challenged) 9/16ths of an inch more or less.

Your standard M-18 tank was around 9' tall, so in 15mm scale it should be about 20mm tall, or 3/4" tall. The M-18 was not quite 10' wide and almost 22 feet long, so that makes for a mini about 7/8" wide and about 2 1/8" long. So to let you know how big the model was, if they had leaned a US Quarter up against the tank (and those are nearly 1" in diameter), it should have obscured about half of it.

Hope that helps.

[XAos]

The M-18 was not quite 10' wide and almost 22 feet long, so that makes for a mini about 7/8" wide and about 2 1/8" long. So to let you know how big the model was, if they had leaned a US Quarter up against the tank (and those are nearly 1" in diameter), it should have obscured about half of it.

Hope that helps.
Thanks, the last bit is fairly clear.
The explanation about infantry is inherently confusing. Since people don't come in one standard size. While M-18's do.
M-18 length is 22ft (including barrel) if it's correct scale length is 2 1/8" that makes the scale approx 1:120. So is TheFoeHammer's 1:107 the scale for "N-Guage" ?

[ArtBraune]

Grognard link on scale follows:

The Miniatures Page - Hobby Reference: All About Scales
http://theminiaturespage.com/ref/scales.html

Ciao!
Art

[XAos]

Thanks, that webpage was quite clear.
So at 1:107 scale the "correct" size for an M-18 would be 2.45" long.
I hope A&A vehicles are a bit smaller than that. Or we will have trouble fitting them in 2in hexes.

[SeattleGamer]

As I said, the "standard" for a man is often a 6' individual (although companies are free to make their people vary if they want to). A good rule of thumb though, is to assume the figure is 6' tall, and you won't be off by much.

1:107 is 15mm scale. N-gauge is 1/160, which is 10mm. 1/144 is basically 11.2mm scale, which is why some folks will mix, say, 1/144 minis with their 12mm stuff and it won't look too out of scale.