Odd WWII vehicles [Archive] - Avalon Hill Boards

Stojakovic

10-10-2005, 10:10 AM

NewtonCain

10-10-2005, 10:52 AM

I was looking for some armoured trains for a scenario and I found this odd thing. I found it really funny. If you know of any other odd war macines post them please...

http://img437.imageshack.us/img437/803/ati02ab40rail3np.jpg

The Germans had tons of odd vehicles durning WWII. Btwn captured units and lack of producing enough tanks themselves they created alot of hi-breads.

SSG_Huble

10-10-2005, 11:00 AM

...they created alot of hi-breads.

I thought the French were the ones that spent the War cooking,...

...shows you what I know.

Stojakovic

10-10-2005, 12:32 PM

The Germans had tons of odd vehicles durning WWII. Btwn captured units and lack of producing enough tanks themselves they created alot of hi-breads.

I would like to see some of these odd vehicles in the game. My fav. right now for odd vehicles is the R-35 it reminds me of R2-D2

AllGoodGecko

10-10-2005, 12:38 PM

If I had a 'must see' list it'd be the 'Skoda' 38-t Marder III conversion

Stojakovic

10-10-2005, 03:16 PM

NewtonCain

10-10-2005, 03:34 PM

Found some other odd things...

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/5126/38t176tf.jpg

no clue what this is....

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/2844/38t095np.jpg

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/9441/38t184ip.jpg

1st-Hezer ammo carrier

2nd-Marder III ammo carrier

3rd-Hezer vehical recovery

all baesd on the Czec T-35/38 MBT chassis.

THe Germans found it easier to modify a production line than to totally repace it w/ new manufacturing equipment.

M151 Mutt

10-10-2005, 04:29 PM

Brits need T-16 Universal Carriers to use as transport vehicles.
Americans need CCKW's for transporting men and it'd make a cool scenario
to try and get supplies across a map without the Huns wiping them out!

Stojakovic

10-10-2005, 04:36 PM

I know these units (maybe) would be completely useless in this type of game. But I would like to see A/H make these units for scenarios. But one thing that I realy found odd was in FOW. They had a German in a cart with a donkey. Why would you need something like that in a game? Is it a killer donkey? or is it a decoy? Some one please clear this up.

AllGoodGecko

10-10-2005, 04:44 PM

no idea what it does in FOW- but in this game I could see things like that being used as 'ammo' carriers that allow your anti-tank guns to fire twice if you dont move at all or some such

Stojakovic

10-10-2005, 05:08 PM

no idea what it does in FOW- but in this game I could see things like that being used as 'ammo' carriers that allow your anti-tank guns to fire twice if you dont move at all or some such

I guess... :confused: I still say a killer donkey ability will be cool j/k

CdtWeasel

10-10-2005, 05:22 PM

There were more donkeys in the german army than halftracks, at least early on. Alot of armies still had equestrian sections as opposed to being fully mechanized. Horses and all are also quite useful in rugged terrain where vehicles of the time floundered. As for odd vehicles, one I hope to see in the next expansion. A Polish TKS tankette. The types armed with 20mm cannons put a hurt on the Pzr II's, but there were only a handful armed as such.

http://www.modelsforsale.com/listphotos/MI35413.jpg

Ben W

10-10-2005, 05:39 PM

Contrary to popular belief of being full of gleaming uber Panzer armies. The bulk of German artillery was horse drawn and the majority of infantry divisions marched on foot.

Both the Germans and Soviets used horses. Each fielded divisions of cavalry but more importantly much of the supply line was carts and wagons.

The British and Amercians were fully motorized (and mechanized) modern armies.

From my 20mm Rapid Fire games I have models of horse drawn Field Kitchens for both the Soviets and Germans. As well as horse drawn limbers for my artillery.

Ben.

AllGoodGecko

10-10-2005, 06:26 PM

hmmm maybe they could 'tow' anti tank guns in the movement phase then?

Autarch

10-10-2005, 06:37 PM

As for odd vehicles, one I hope to see in the next expansion. A Polish TKS tankette. The types armed with 20mm cannons put a hurt on the Pzr II's, but there were only a handful armed as such.

http://www.modelsforsale.com/listphotos/MI35413.jpg

Oh no! Not another tiny rare!

Stojakovic

10-10-2005, 06:55 PM

Hahaha that is so funny :D I fell off my chair when I saw that :D

Danyel Phelps

10-10-2005, 07:36 PM

Some of the vehicles listed aren't wierd vehicles at all.

Stojakovic

10-10-2005, 07:46 PM

Some of the vehicles listed aren't wierd vehicles at all.

Have you heard of beauty is in the eye of the beholder? Well wierdness is in the eye of the beholder

Danyel Phelps

10-10-2005, 10:22 PM

French tanks like the R-35, which was actually a good tank, aren't weird.

You want weird? THIS is weird, an attempt to motorize the Gustav railway cannons: http://www.panzerschreck.de/panzer/pzkpfw/pkpfw.html

Blitzkrieg

10-14-2005, 11:32 AM

the DRAGON WAGON was the truck and trailer designed to transport the sherman during the war. I don't have a pic of it but I have seen 1:48 scale models and it is awesom.

Comassion

10-14-2005, 11:59 AM

Aries

10-14-2005, 12:28 PM

The German mine clearer is a bit of a looker as well.... very nice site w/ pictures

http://www.jagdtiger.de/index2.htm?http://www.jagdtiger.de/GermanTanks/AlkettMinenrm-01.htm

Stojakovic

10-14-2005, 01:13 PM

Oh my god! are those real? That is not even funny... that looks like starwars stuff! I want to ride in one

Stojakovic

10-14-2005, 01:15 PM

I've got the vehicle to beat - I have yet to see a stranger World War II vehicle than this one, and I've seen a lot of them.

The Kugelpanzer (http://www.jagdtiger.de/index2.htm?http://www.jagdtiger.de/GermanTanks/Kugelpanzer-01.htm)

So what exactly did this thing do? Did it make soldiers laugh and why they were on the ground they shot them? :confused:

Aries

10-14-2005, 02:12 PM

Looks like a one man armored recon vehicle. Guess you would ride out to take a quick look at the battlefield without worrying about snipers or other small arms fire.

The mine clearer just stomps the mines.

Stojakovic

10-14-2005, 02:36 PM

The mine clearer just stomps the mines.

I knew that. I just did not know about the UFO thing

Thunderanger

10-14-2005, 03:10 PM

Man, this is hands down the weirdest one! :) ROFL!!! :D
Imagine what would happen when it goes downhill? :D On my mind, I have the image of the whole thing rolling down the hill, and the driver tumbling inside like clothes in a laundry machine... :D

I've got the vehicle to beat - I have yet to see a stranger World War II vehicle than this one, and I've seen a lot of them.

The Kugelpanzer (http://www.jagdtiger.de/index2.htm?http://www.jagdtiger.de/GermanTanks/Kugelpanzer-01.htm)

Thunderanger

10-14-2005, 03:33 PM

I bet Lucas and his designers must have seen this one and got some inspiration from it. :) It also reminds me of the Gear Krieg stuffs.

The site is awesome, with many good pics from the various museums with WW2 AFVs. Now I know where to go when I go on a Europe trip. :)

Oh my god! are those real? That is not even funny... that looks like starwars stuff! I want to ride in one

Stojakovic

10-14-2005, 03:55 PM

I bet Lucas and his designers must have seen this one and got some inspiration from it. :) It also reminds me of the Gear Krieg stuffs.

The site is awesome, with many good pics from the various museums with WW2 AFVs. Now I know where to go when I go on a Europe trip. :)

I am going to Russia next year :D I just hope I don't run into the mob :eek:

JimTullis

10-15-2005, 09:51 PM

You know how SWM has the HUGE figs out?
Well, i'd like to see this...

http://palpatine.chez.tiscali.fr/Page13/g1.jpg (http://palpatine.chez.tiscali.fr/Page13/page13.htm)
Note the tiny Germans on and around this RailRoad Gun.

Stojakovic

10-15-2005, 10:12 PM

I am going to need a lot more maps :eek:

Stojakovic

10-15-2005, 10:48 PM

Read this (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/t/ti/tiger_i.htm) this is very interesting and did not know this. If it is all true.

bsmart

10-16-2005, 06:26 AM

In a quick read of the article I don't see any major surprises. I'm not sure of the assertion that the Tiger was in response to the KV-1. I think that development was already in ptogres, but I would have to check some other sources.

Bob Smart (bsmart@monocacy.com)

Pte. Blue 527

10-16-2005, 07:06 AM

JimTullis

10-16-2005, 08:26 AM

Pte. Blue,

Ever see the Game "Ogre" by Steve Jackson Games?
or read the "BOLO" stories by Keith Laumer?

The "Rat" would be great in an Alternate History WWII version of either of those worlds.

The next size up was a 1500 ton version which was to cary the same gun that the RailRoad Gun "Dora" carried. :eek:

Stojakovic

10-16-2005, 08:28 AM

Danyel Phelps

10-16-2005, 08:47 AM

It's all pretty basic information, not sure how it constitutes the Tiger being a weird vehicle. A bad one, yeah, but a weird one? That's like saying any other tank, like the Sherman or the Churchill, is weird.

Stojakovic

10-16-2005, 08:49 AM

oops I was not trying to imply that it was odd. just that it had some very interesting info. like the whole water thing.

Stojakovic

11-03-2005, 03:27 PM

I saw this on some web site the other day. I don't know if it a real tank or even a WWII tank but can some one tell me what it is? If it is anything at all.

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/6061/maus1rl.jpg

Horst

11-03-2005, 03:42 PM

A right-click of the image, and a quick check on Google-Images later:
I'm guessing that it's a Maus (http://images.google.com/images?q=maus+tank&hl=en).

Y2UAsk

11-03-2005, 03:43 PM

Yep, Maus. Proof positive that Hitler was out of his mind.

Steve

Stojakovic

11-03-2005, 03:58 PM

OMG :eek: that thing is huge compared to the tiger. If that was in A&AM it could not fit on the 2 inch hex :eek: I'm going to look up some more info on that titan tank.

Le Poilu

11-03-2005, 09:11 PM

The British and Amercians were fully motorized (and mechanized) modern armies....though there were exceptions dictated by terrain, as in the mule trains assembled in Tunisia in 1943.

Ricky

11-04-2005, 06:02 AM

OMG :eek: that thing is huge compared to the tiger. If that was in A&AM it could not fit on the 2 inch hex :eek: I'm going to look up some more info on that titan tank.

The picture posted is over-scaled, it was not that big...

Although it was a jolly big tank.

TheFoeHammer

11-04-2005, 06:48 AM

The picture posted is over-scaled, it was not that big...

Although it was a jolly big tank.

The hull was only about 2.4 meters longer than the King Tiger. And the height was only a small difference.

The big deal was the weight; 3 times a King Tiger at 188 tons. The heavy armor on this tank would be all but impenetrable. But it had its drawbacks. It was said that if one broke down, it would take two working Maus tanks to tow it. And it would have been interesting to see what roads in Europe would have supported that weight, especially in rain/snow.

I think only 4 were made.

Irish

11-04-2005, 07:27 AM

Another Porsche miscue, it amazes me that the current cars are so good. :)

Bobsalt

11-04-2005, 10:56 AM

The hull was only about 2.4 meters longer than the King Tiger. And the height was only a small difference.

The big deal was the weight; 3 times a King Tiger at 188 tons. The heavy armor on this tank would be all but impenetrable. But it had its drawbacks. It was said that if one broke down, it would take two working Maus tanks to tow it. And it would have been interesting to see what roads in Europe would have supported that weight, especially in rain/snow.

I think only 4 were made.

Anybody care to take a stab at "stating" it?

I'm thinking at least 20/16/12 against vehicles, at least 9, if not 10, armor, and Extended Range, Superior Armor and Hulking Mass for special abilities. Movement of 1?

Patton4014

11-04-2005, 11:27 AM

If I remeber right, the gun was a 128mm and it had a 75mm gun that was used for sighting the main gun. Hmmm maybe 22/18/15 with Extended range 15, vs infantry I would guess it is 5/4/4 (bad sight lines). Movement of 1. Armour would be higher I think at a 12/10.

Special abilities
Extended Range 15
Superior Armor
Double Shot - This tank can take a second shot at short/medium range with the 75 mm gun at a 17/15

I don't think Hulking Mass would work because it is too slow.

No road bonus for this baby either. To big and to slow. 1 move point only. And it can't cross bridges.

That is my take

Vulturedoodle

11-04-2005, 11:40 AM

If I remeber right, the gun was a 128mm and it had a 75mm gun that was used for sighting the main gun. Hmmm maybe 22/18/15 with Extended range 15, vs infantry I would guess it is 5/4/4 (bad sight lines). Movement of 1. Armour would be higher I think at a 12/10.
My recollection is that the 128mm KwK44 L/55 (similar, I believe, to the one on the JagdTiger) had marginally inferior penetration at most ranges to the long 88 (Pak 43 L/71) on the JadgPanther. I speak under correction, as I don't have the figures handy.

My recollection (again, I speak under correction) is that only two prototypes were built, neither seeing any combat. Only one of them even had a turret. I very much hope they don't include this until wayyyyyy down the road (set 20?), if at all.

Regards,
Steve F.

Stojakovic

11-04-2005, 01:13 PM

Thanks for the info on it guys :cool: I found a few things about it as well

TheFoeHammer

11-04-2005, 01:53 PM

My recollection (again, I speak under correction) is that only two prototypes were built, neither seeing any combat. Only one of them even had a turret. I very much hope they don't include this until wayyyyyy down the road (set 20?), if at all.

Regards,
Steve F.

Only 2 made it out of the plants and they were destroyed. Another 7 were in various stages of progress. I think some people say 4 because some of these were far enough along to be checked out, photographed, etc.

Danyel Phelps

11-04-2005, 02:58 PM

There's a rumor going about how one was used in defense against the soviets, but there is evidence against this.

WotC Bob

11-04-2005, 04:05 PM

I like the idea of a 60cm self propelled mortar (http://www.one35th.com/morser/morser06.jpg)

Stojakovic

11-04-2005, 04:34 PM

OMG :eek: I want to blow something up with that... without any one getting hurt of corse...

rockistruth

11-04-2005, 04:52 PM

http://www.battlefield.ru/t35.html

check this soviet tank out. not as big as the Maus, but is still pretty beastly.

komichido

11-04-2005, 06:17 PM

NEVjr

11-04-2005, 06:50 PM

Only 2 made it out of the plants and they were destroyed. Another 7 were in various stages of progress. I think some people say 4 because some of these were far enough along to be checked out, photographed, etc.
there were 3 that got out of the factory, one was fitted with a mock up turret, the second recived a mock up turret, then recieved an actual turret, the third got a real turret as well, the first ones hull, and the third ones turret are assembled in kubinika, the second was thought to be destroyed

i would rather see sturm tigers, jagdtigers, etc, stuff that really saw combat would be nice, what fun is a maus? defense of 9/7, the coax 75mm, plus the 5 inch, gives a vehical attack on the order of 21/19/16, extended range 15? 16? 30? inf of 10/8/8, its into the multiple hundreds of points now

Stojakovic

11-04-2005, 07:07 PM

Anyone else out there feel like me and not care if we ever see the Maus. I guess it is because I am really into the historical side of this game (I know we have had many a thread on this debate. I say let each man play how he likes, just have fun) anyway, the Maus never saw combat. Because of that I just don't desire it as a piece in my collection. Anyone else have a viewpoint on this?

Komi

It did see combat... One of them was captured by Soviet forces

Danyel Phelps

11-04-2005, 07:13 PM

Just because it was captured doesn't mean it saw combat. It was at one of the facilities the Red Army overran and was detonated by the Germans before the Soviets could get their hands on it.

komichido

11-04-2005, 07:13 PM

Ok one was captured! It was not a combat operational vehicle. In my book that is a museum piece, thus it never saw combat and has no appeal to me.
But that could just be me! :D

Komi

Stojakovic

11-04-2005, 07:18 PM

Ok one was captured! It was not a combat operational vehicle. In my book that is a museum piece, thus it never saw combat and has no appeal to me.
But that could just be me! :D

Komi

But it did see combat is managed to destroy a couple of russian tanks(WOW :o ) but the crew that was inside it had to bail out when the russians were over running them because the thing was so slow. so it it was a mini it would have a speed of 1 :rolleyes: anyways the thing would not fit on the standard hex

komichido

11-04-2005, 07:22 PM

Stojak,

I am usually with you on most posts but I have to disagree, its gun was not operational, and it did not fire. What source did you read about it actually firing? I would like to read it. I have never seen any account of one in actual combat.

Later bro,

Komi

Stojakovic

11-04-2005, 07:25 PM

Give you the name on mon. My book is in my locker...

Sergeant Rock

11-04-2005, 07:27 PM

NEVjr

11-04-2005, 08:34 PM

there are rumors it saw combat because the one at kubinika has several pock marks in the front plate, the russians took some potshots at it once they captured it just incase they happened apon on in combat i guess, the crew that was being over run left days before the ruskies got to the tank
http://www.jagdtiger.de/GermanTanks/Maus-02.jpg

NEVjr

11-04-2005, 08:36 PM

Today I was looking at a 'BefehlsPanzer P' from sPzJgAbt653 Company
deployed in Italy in 1944. They must have been camped at a vineyard
and broke into the wine cellar. In the morning they had mounted Tiger
turrets on the Elefants in the Company...
you got that the wrong way around, they took prototype tigers, mounted a superstructure on it, added more armour and called it an elephant

2ndSS-Kampfgrupe Peiper

11-04-2005, 08:40 PM

Hahahahaaa... Some of those pics are real weird looking.

Stojakovic

11-04-2005, 08:48 PM

you got that the wrong way around, they took prototype tigers, mounted a superstructure on it, added more armour and called it an elephant

OK I am lost can some one post a pic I tried looking on google but I would rather not say what I saw :mad:

WotC Bob

11-05-2005, 12:20 AM

Since the word came up, is a BefehlsPanzer just a command track, or something different?

Vulturedoodle

11-05-2005, 05:45 AM

there were 3 that got out of the factory, one was fitted with a mock up turret, the second recived a mock up turret, then recieved an actual turret, the third got a real turret as well, the first ones hull, and the third ones turret are assembled in kubinika, the second was thought to be destroyed
Can you post a source? I confirmed that Chamberlain says two, and would be interested in reading other material.

--SEF

cossackwarrior

11-05-2005, 08:14 AM

If the game has supply rules, then the donkey would be for that, or for supply of Mountain units. The Germans were far from mechanised when the wart began and they never became more than about a third mechanized during the war till early 45 and then only because the horses and such had been killed off, especially on the Russian front and the number of units and men in them had been savagely reduced.

Kriegshund

11-05-2005, 08:53 AM

Since the word came up, is a BefehlsPanzer just a command track, or something different?

I have seen the word "BefehlsPanzer" attached to everything from Panzer IIIs to King Tigers and command cars and tracks in between. I have been unable to determine what exactly it signifies, other than a "command" vehicle. Just the tank or armored car that happens to have the head cheese on board I guess.

NEVjr

11-05-2005, 09:14 AM

http://www.mibglobal.com.au/images/cd8056.jpg is a model of the BefehlsPanzer originaly refered to

sorry, i was a bit wrong on there being 3 prototypes, there were 2 running prototypes, one with a mock up turret, one with the a real turret, there was the wooden mockup tank, and a third hull and turret were captured with no motor, that hull is the one used in the kubinika maus, http://www.achtungpanzer.com/pz7.htm

Stojakovic

11-05-2005, 09:18 AM

speaking of wood did anyone see that show on the military channel on that wooden british plane? I missed it :(

NEVjr

11-05-2005, 09:23 AM

the mosquito? it was canadian designed and built, 4x 303s, and 4 20mm in the nose, faster them most german fighters, aside from FWs, and 262s, it had a death cone miles long, held speed really well, and the plywood absorbed impacts from bullets very well

Stojakovic

11-05-2005, 09:33 AM

Hey thanks for the info. I had a book ordered so I can read more about it... does any one know if the plane still exsists today?

WotC Bob

11-05-2005, 10:28 AM

Vulturedoodle

11-05-2005, 10:53 AM

Mosquitos are very rare these days. The plywood construction, while giving the plane incredible speed (supposedly the fastest plane in a dive at the time of its construction) also made it much harder to preserve.
I'm not an airplane engineer, so you'll forgive me when I ask why plywood construction would give it a greater dive speed? Climb speed, I could see, level flight I could see, but where's the advantage in a dive, where the engine of the presumably heavier aluminum/steel-skinned plane would be working with gravity, rather than against it?

Regards,
Steve F.

Sergeant Rock

11-05-2005, 11:27 AM

Back to the Befehlspanzer P
The tank I referred to earlier is a 1 of 1.
As in the below link it is listed as a command vehicle that did see
combat. While true that it is a Tiger Porsche all the rest of its production
were converted to make the Elefant.

http://www.lemaire.happyhost.org/char/complet/822.html#1

fifleche

11-05-2005, 12:01 PM

Anyone else out there feel like me and not care if we ever see the Maus. I guess it is because I am really into the historical side of this game (I know we have had many a thread on this debate. I say let each man play how he likes, just have fun) anyway, the Maus never saw combat. Because of that I just don't desire it as a piece in my collection. Anyone else have a viewpoint on this?

Komi
Well, personally, I would like to see the Maus, if only because it might have been used, if the war dragged on a little longer. But the Easy Eight is science-fiction to me. So yeah, I see myself as into the historical side of the game.

Danyel Phelps

11-05-2005, 12:27 PM

Alot of things might have been used if the war dragged on longer. The point was, they weren't.

fifleche

11-05-2005, 01:03 PM

Yup, but then again, nothing looking like the stats they gave to the M4A3E8 did neither. So, if the USA gets a "sci-fi" piece, why not the others?

Danyel Phelps

11-05-2005, 01:39 PM

Erm, the Easy Eight was used, and it was a descent tank. Just because they threw the stats out of whack on a unit doesn't mean they should give the Germans a "sci-fi" mini.

Waffen-ss

11-05-2005, 04:05 PM

I agree, the chessey eight ( please ) is a joke . So if the allies ( good guys in white ) can have a fig way can't the axis ( bad bad guys in black ) have the Maus or the e-100 ? :p

Danyel Phelps

11-05-2005, 05:11 PM

Because they were never used. The Easy Eight was.

Stojakovic

11-05-2005, 05:46 PM

easy 8 in combat...

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/1278/supsh3e7rq.jpg

Waffen-ss

11-05-2005, 06:46 PM

Waffen-ss

11-05-2005, 06:51 PM

[U]And if your argument is that this game is historically acurate then the Russians are on my side for the seige of Poland. LOL :D

komichido

11-05-2005, 08:43 PM

The game also allows a person to play it absolutely Historical. So as has been stated many, many times, its all personal! :D

Game on....

Komi

PatrickWR

11-05-2005, 09:05 PM

Ho buddy, I really hope they never make any superheavies (Maus, etc). That would undoubtedly lead to power creep, and that's no good for a game that's rooted in historical stuff.

Ben W

11-05-2005, 11:37 PM

The Maus would make a nice big figure for what if games. But its point cost would far exceed its combat potential. The Germans don't really need any more big tanks with big guns. They need StuG's and veteran Pnz IV's

Of course if one side has a Maus the other will be fielding Centurians, IS-3's and Pershings.

Ben.

Vulturedoodle

11-06-2005, 04:01 AM

Well the last war footage I viwed did not show the Russians and the Americans fighting along side each other but the game allows it.
This game is not historically acurate so why draw the line on german super heavy AFVs? :eek:
Unless this game makes it to twenty sets, there are scores, hundreds of much much MUCH more reasonable units to release. Once we've seen M7 Priests, M3 Halftracks, some of the more likely variants of PzIIIs and IVs, then maybe I'd be okay with a Maus. Not before.

--SEF

fifleche

11-06-2005, 10:22 AM

Of course, I completely agree that there are a bazillion units that should have been there before WOTC even -considers- building hypothetical units. I want Pz I's, Pz III's a humongous variety of SP AT guns & artillery, infantry units for all the axis minors, a decent selection of scout cars and planes to be playable before popping up a booster and finding a Maus inside...

My point was simply that I would like to see the "wunderwaffen" of german weird-science, eventually. I -would- play with an overpriced monstruosity like the Maus, because that's what it was. OTOH, the Easy8 doesn't ressemble the stats they gave it, so I don't play with it. Also, that explains my interest for your "enhanced realism" cards, Danyel. Then, I see a M4A3E8 I can play with.

rockistruth

11-06-2005, 02:44 PM

This Russian tank rules. you should really check it out. and if the maus is ever allowed in the game, it should cost 1000 pts.

T-35 Heavy Tank (http://www.battlefield.ru/t35.html)

Stojakovic

11-06-2005, 04:31 PM

Rockis, The link does not work :confused:

NEVjr

11-06-2005, 06:38 PM

I'm not an airplane engineer, so you'll forgive me when I ask why plywood construction would give it a greater dive speed? Climb speed, I could see, level flight I could see, but where's the advantage in a dive, where the engine of the presumably heavier aluminum/steel-skinned plane would be working with gravity, rather than against it?

Regards,
Steve F.
it was heavier then the aluminum planes, not lighter, i dont think it had a better dive speed, but it held speed much better, you could dive, then pull up and keep the climb for much longer then most fighters. the air museum in ottawa canada has one on display, and the air museum here in calgary has one in storage awaiting restoration

Ricky

11-07-2005, 08:01 AM

the mosquito? it was canadian designed and built
Nope.

http://www.mikekemble.com/ww2/mosquito.html

The Mossie was a deHavilland plane, but deHavilland did not become a Canadian firm until after WW2.

It was designed & built in Britain.

I'm not even sure that any examples were ever built in Canada (which built many planes such as the Avro Lancaster for the British/Commonwealth war effort)

Oh, WotC Bob - are you sure it was a Mossie you saw in 1992?
I did not know that any were flying.

Le Poilu

11-07-2005, 11:15 AM

I finally took the time to read through this whole thread.

"Odd" is indeed in the eye of the beholder, of course, but rather than prototypes or so-called wonder-weapons that saw limited, if any, action, some of the units I'd like to see as the sets expand include... DUKW - the famous U.S. Army "Duck" amphibious transport
Sherman DD - amphibious tanks!
Motorcycle troops - not really "odd," but potentially very interesting in terms of both abilities and as a mini
Bicycle troops - a bit more on the odd side than motorcycles
Sherman Crab and/or Matilda Scorpion - for when we get the minefields this game sorely needs
Centaur Bulldozer - for when we get the barbed wire and anti-tank obstacles this game sorely needs
Ski troops - Not truly vehicles, of course, but I want Finns, baby!
Gliders - British Horsa, American Waco, or German DFS 230 or Go 242 would be coolI know there are more, but that's what comes to mind off the top of my head.

Pte. Blue 527

11-07-2005, 03:27 PM

is the Landkreuzer P-1000 "Ratte" that Danyel posted the link to.

1000 tons. let me say that again. 1000 tons. Tiger is 57t. the Elepant and Maus were only 140t and 188t respectively.

this thing is enormous. more like science fiction than reality. would have been great to see a prototype made.

and now i think i can put the link in (thanks Jim).
hope this works.

Landkreuzer P-1000 Ratte (http://www.panzerschreck.de/panzer/pzkpfw/pkpfw.html)

AllGoodGecko

11-07-2005, 06:16 PM

I personally think that a Maus will show up 'too soon' if the current power game mentaltiy of CMG games is followed. Personally I would never want to see one in play but I can respect that others would want to use one. If they do release it they had better add the rule that it was somewhat mechanically unsound and untested in combat.

komichido

11-07-2005, 08:55 PM

That landkreuzer reminds me of an Ogre Mk. 5. :D

Komi

fifleche

11-08-2005, 08:29 AM

Well, actually, it's not that I would -use- the Maus... I'm just saying I would like to have the mini! :D

Stojakovic

11-08-2005, 03:28 PM

Well, actually, it's not that I would -use- the Maus... I'm just saying I would like to have the mini! :D

I would like one... I would take the hood ornament off my dad's benz and super glue it to the hood. That would be better then taking it to pimp my ride :D and then I could say good bye to my computer, my driving privlages, my social life and well... just about every thing that is fun in life. :eek: