Is it just me or does this release

[Colonel_Coo]

Is it just me or does this upcoming release look like it is being put out by Hoover industrial Vacuums?
I had planned on getting two cases pre-ordered (24 boosters) but now I am thinking on just plain out not buying anything until I see what is in it. That overized base on the plane makes stacking tough. The "sculpt" for the motor bike looks like it was done with play dough in the Las Vegas sun. The infantry they are showing don't really mean much. The Tank shown looks like one of those Fake Tanks they blew up with an airpump to fool the enemy.

Now the Stuka itself looks cool. Just too big a base.

We'll see how the mechanic works. Also, we'll see if they add anything to make Paratroopers a little less leathal. Another rediculus unit like the SE Paratroopers and this game is toasted.

[Stojakovic]

Not again we went thorugh this thread after thread when this game first came out...

[skeevo666]

Not again we went thorugh this thread after thread when this game first came out...



Indeed. :mad:


I've been in the "Brave New World" of pre-painted & pre-assembled minis for going on 4 years now. I've learned at least one thing: Never judge a mini by the previews :cool:


amd they haven't actually shown any mechanics to get upset about :eek: . Recall the words of FDR and remember what you have to fear . . .


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[NEVjr]

each set has that one real bad sculpt, the hellcat, the 3inch, the motorbike, its expected

the char is not all that bad, the real tank looked worse
http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/france/fra-CharB1-bis.jpg


still not happy about planes being added

[Colonel_Coo]

each set has that one real bad sculpt, the hellcat, the 3inch, the motorbike, its expected

the char is not all that bad, the real tank looked worse
http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/france/fra-CharB1-bis.jpg


still not happy about planes being added
Okay, the tanks sculpt is a dead on of the real thing. Great link, ugly tank, good sculpt of an ugly tank.

[Careos]

Is it just me or does this upcoming release look like it is being put out by Hoover industrial Vacuums?
I had planned on getting two cases pre-ordered (24 boosters) but now I am thinking on just plain out not buying anything until I see what is in it. That overized base on the plane makes stacking tough. The "sculpt" for the motor bike looks like it was done with play dough in the Las Vegas sun. The infantry they are showing don't really mean much. The Tank shown looks like one of those Fake Tanks they blew up with an airpump to fool the enemy.

Now the Stuka itself looks cool. Just too big a base.

We'll see how the mechanic works. Also, we'll see if they add anything to make Paratroopers a little less leathal. Another rediculus unit like the SE Paratroopers and this game is toasted.

Don't buy then, hearing people talking about this sucking and whatnot before you even see them really drives me insane. The game is definately the best out there dollar for dollar, yet people still insist on being difficult about it all. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Plain and simple...there is no need to come in here and try to stir something up.

[Dr_Strangelove]

I'm going to give WotC credit in this thing; some of the miniatures in Set I and II did suck, namely the Hellcat and the M5 3" anti-tank gun. The thing is there were more miniatures that looked very good. I loved the King Tiger and the Rhino. This game is kind of an evolving thing. I would love it if WotC did something to compensate us for the crappy ones. I've got this bin of the M5 anti-tank guns that I'm too sickened by to put on the table. Still I will put my money down for a case of Set III.

[dacramps]

I myself hope wizards will start the deliverance miniature game (where everybody squeals---just joking ), but hey if you don't like the mini's than don't play. If they were perfect shape,painted,etc, than we would have to pay what , about 50-100$ a pack . I love the game and the price and can't wait for the planes. Just wonder if there are going to be battleships and beach/ocean maps with the big ol bunkers and those huge guns. :)

[NewtonCain]

Set III is going to be the set that you want 2-3 cases of. You know your going to want multiples of the Stuka and what ever other sweet arse planes they have in the set.

Sure there will be some duds (like most WotC collectible games) as filler. But for the most part I think this set will rock.

[Canuck_Captain]

Commons usually did suck in most games like Yugioh and Magic so what would be so different.

Yes we have millions of TeKe tanks but whatever...the M5 3" gun is small yes but that way my opponent usually look over them and go for other targets...The hellcat wasnt that bad...

If your judging a book by a cover, well you know how the saying goes...

Plane and simple(no pun intended) if you dont like it after youve seen the new rules,stats and models then dont buy it,noones goin to put a gun to your head and tell you to buy...

As for the SE paratroopers, the allies needed a model to battle the SSPG's with and thats what they got...only at a far worse price...

[Anpu42]

When I field the 3" Gun I usualy use ether the 6lb gun or PAK 40 on the field.
I can get away with that cus, must of the ones i play with don't use AT Guns.

[SSG_Huble]

If it makes you feel any better,...I'm willing to tell you that the 'motorbike' and the 'tank' images are not to the same scale. The motorbike image is grossly exaggerated. Sitting in your hand it looks much better. The motobike is on a base roughly the size of a MG42 or Vickers team and the tank is roughly equivalent in size to the Panther.

I think that as the Opening Salvo information expands, that everyone is going to be EXTREMELY pleased with this set. I know I'm buying at least 2 cases.

[XAos]

As for the SE paratroopers, the allies needed a model to battle the SSPG's with and thats what they got...only at a far worse price...
There are 2 rules controlling what you can play in a game, the points cost & the 15 unit limit. Both are important.
I'll take 11 SS-Paratroopers against 15 SS-PG's (or 13+commanders) any day.

[Mr_G]

As for the SE paratroopers, the allies needed a model to battle the SSPG's with and thats what they got...only at a far worse price...

now that you mention it, they really do look like they were made to kill the SSPG. Hard charger beats ruthless at any turn.

But I disagree on the 11 SE vs 15 SSPG and my point is this one; those kinds of odds favor the SSPGs on the probability chances of taking killing shots on the SE...

[Bobsalt]

When I field the 3" Gun I usualy use ether the 6lb gun or PAK 40 on the field.
I can get away with that cus, must of the ones i play with don't use AT Guns.

I’ve used a 3” gun twice, and both times used a 6lb gun to represent it. I will never use the 3” mini. This is one of the things that I really hate about an otherwise pretty good game. The sculpting on some of the units is such poor quality that you have to wonder what they were thinking. I was mixed on Set II – I thought some of the units looked really good, like the pant job on the T-70’s; on others, it was unbelievably bad, like the aforementioned 3” gun or the gun barrel on the Rhino (which ruined an otherwise pretty good-looking unit). Overall, I was disappointed with Set II. It’s WAY too early to make a call on Set III, but for me the image they posted of the Char Bis wasn’t promising. Did the French really paint their armor that color? Everything I’ve ever seen seems to indicate that a camouflage pattern was the standard paint job for them. Maybe I can send some of them to Panzerpainter for some of his magic.

[PatrickWR]

I’ve used a 3” gun twice, and both times used a 6lb gun to represent it.

I use the Soviet ZiS 57mm...it's a much more manly-looking gun, plus it has that two-tone paint scheme, whereas the 6-pdr is all green.

The 3" gun card is amazing. I love it in conjunction with Brit tanks in western Europe.

[Photoner Hawkwind]

Don't buy then, hearing people talking about this sucking and whatnot before you even see them really drives me insane. The game is definately the best out there dollar for dollar, yet people still insist on being difficult about it all. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Plain and simple...there is no need to come in here and try to stir something up.

I have already preordered 2 cases and I love this game.
Also I'm sure WOTC didn't intentionally mess up on the hellcat and the 3" guns and the others.
And of course if someone doesn't like the game or product, by all means, don't buy it.

But I think it's great that we can voice an opinion here to ask WOTC to do as good a job as possible to improve and put out the best product available for our dollars.

[Vulturedoodle]

I use the Soviet ZiS 57mm...it's a much more manly-looking gun, plus it has that two-tone paint scheme, whereas the 6-pdr is all green.

The 3" gun card is amazing. I love it in conjunction with Brit tanks in western Europe.
I use the Pak40. Doesn't look anything like it, but compare the sizes of the various guns:

Zis Length = 2.85m
3" Length = 4.02m
Pak40 Length = 3.45m

--SEF

[Joisey]

Set III is going to be the set that you want 2-3 cases of. You know your going to want multiples of the Stuka and what ever other sweet arse planes they have in the set.

Sure there will be some duds (like most WotC collectible games) as filler. But for the most part I think this set will rock.
I agree with the sense of getting a couple of cases for the air units and other rares. You'll spend another $100 easy anyway buying extra singles of the planes you want.

But it costs the same to manufacture a figure whether it sucks or rocks. So why give us a bunch of sucky units nobody wanted?

[VandyFry]

Commons usually did suck in most games like Yugioh and Magic so what would be so different.

Yes we have millions of TeKe tanks but whatever...the M5 3" gun is small yes but that way my opponent usually look over them and go for other targets...The hellcat wasnt that bad...

If your judging a book by a cover, well you know how the saying goes...

Plane and simple(no pun intended) if you dont like it after youve seen the new rules,stats and models then dont buy it,noones goin to put a gun to your head and tell you to buy...

As for the SE paratroopers, the allies needed a model to battle the SSPG's with and thats what they got...only at a far worse price...


I like the te-ke! SWARM MY MINIONS OF USELESS TANKS! SWARM THE ENEMY WITH YOUR POP GUNS OF DOOM!

[VandyFry]

I'm debating just buying two complete sets and then several complete sets of commons and uncommons. I think it comes out just a little cheaper.

[Joisey]

If it makes you feel any better,...I'm willing to tell you that the 'motorbike' and the 'tank' images are not to the same scale. The motorbike image is grossly exaggerated. Sitting in your hand it looks much better. The motobike is on a base roughly the size of a MG42 or Vickers team and the tank is roughly equivalent in size to the Panther.

I think that as the Opening Salvo information expands, that everyone is going to be EXTREMELY pleased with this set. I know I'm buying at least 2 cases.
I think the Char B is going to be the mini that makes me break down and buy a can of spray paint. Nothing fancy, just a base coat in a dark, olive green. Then maybe get some Flames of War decals of the French tricolor for the side of the tank.

[Stojakovic]

Too bad they are out of french decals. I ordered some last month but were out. I asked when they will get some in they said they did not know. I emailed them two days ago and they still don't have any :( Unless you have a store near by that selss them then you are lucky :D

[Bobsalt]

I have already preordered 2 cases and I love this game.
Also I'm sure WOTC didn't intentionally mess up on the hellcat and the 3" guns and the others.
And of course if someone doesn't like the game or product, by all means, don't buy it.

But I think it's great that we can voice an opinion here to ask WOTC to do as good a job as possible to improve and put out the best product available for our dollars.

I don't think they intentionally mess up units either. I do think, though, that things like the gun barrel on the Rhino do show an annoying lack of attention to detail; I think the 3" gun could be used as evidence by some to make a stronger statement than that. It's hard for me to understand how anyone could see that unit and release it to the public. It's one thing for someone to not like some of the units they choose to produce - that's part of the game. It's something else when WotC produces a unit that's sculpted so poorly as to be basically unusable. The Hellcat doesn’t bother me too much – they admitted up front that the scaling on it was a mistake, how it happened, and what they were doing to make sure it didn’t happen again. I do wish they’d bring out another one at the correct scale, though.

I guess what's really frustrating to me is the inconsistency – one unit looks superb; the next one – not so much. Some of the units in Set II looked better than anything in Set I – but some of them were worse, too.

From the comments I see from staff people on here – and the fact that they do post here is a big plus – they absolutely do not seem to have a “screw the public, release it anyway” attitude. Which makes it all the more puzzling to me how some of the units that 99% of the people looking at them immediately spot flaws on get released. I really do wonder about what sort of quality control processes they have in place.

[Zhukov]

The base looks big. Just the picutre. When I first saw these and the boxes I though the infantry would be like mage knight or hero clix size. But there smaller.
I dont see whats all the hype with a good paint job or not. The cycle looks fine to me.

[Joisey]

I don't think they intentionally mess up units either. I do think, though, that things like the gun barrel on the Rhino do show an annoying lack of attention to detail; I think the 3" gun could be used as evidence by some to make a stronger statement than that. It's hard for me to understand how anyone could see that unit and release it to the public. It's one thing for someone to not like some of the units they choose to produce - that's part of the game. It's something else when WotC produces a unit that's sculpted so poorly as to be basically unusable. The Hellcat doesn’t bother me too much – they admitted up front that the scaling on it was a mistake, how it happened, and what they were doing to make sure it didn’t happen again. I do wish they’d bring out another one at the correct scale, though.

I guess what's really frustrating to me is the inconsistency – one unit looks superb; the next one – not so much. Some of the units in Set II looked better than anything in Set I – but some of them were worse, too.

From the comments I see from staff people on here – and the fact that they do post here is a big plus – they absolutely do not seem to have a “screw the public, release it anyway” attitude. Which makes it all the more puzzling to me how some of the units that 99% of the people looking at them immediately spot flaws on get released. I really do wonder about what sort of quality control processes they have in place.
Dude! Bob posted a picture of the new Hellcat on the previews thread. You got your wish.

Now, let's wish for a redone 3" gun!

[Bobsalt]

Dude! Bob posted a picture of the new Hellcat on the previews thread. You got your wish.

Now, let's wish for a redone 3" gun!

I saw that, but I also thought he said some time back that he didn't know when/if it was actually going to be released. I may be wrong (happens all the time), but I thought that was more of a prototype model than an actual ready-to-release miniature.

[Belisarius]

Every time I look at the 3" gun, I think of the Spinal Tap Stonehenge. I usually use the British 6-pounder as a substitute, simply because I have so many of the things.

I'm looking forward to this expansion. I'll reserve judgment until I see more information.

[Irish]

Is it just me or does this upcoming release look like it is being put out by Hoover industrial Vacuums?
I had planned on getting two cases pre-ordered (24 boosters) but now I am thinking on just plain out not buying anything until I see what is in it. That overized base on the plane makes stacking tough. The "sculpt" for the motor bike looks like it was done with play dough in the Las Vegas sun. The infantry they are showing don't really mean much. The Tank shown looks like one of those Fake Tanks they blew up with an airpump to fool the enemy.

Now the Stuka itself looks cool. Just too big a base.

We'll see how the mechanic works. Also, we'll see if they add anything to make Paratroopers a little less leathal. Another rediculus unit like the SE Paratroopers and this game is toasted.

In defense of WotC, if the base were any smaller, the aircraft would probably fall over. In fact this could still be an issue if the unit is tilted too much.

As far as the "ridiculous" units, unfortunately, there is nothing new here, there have been several useless units in the past, Panzer II, Te-KE, PIAT, etc. It looks to me like the motorcycle with side car will soon join that list, unless of course one likes the mental image of cavalry riding into battle on motorcycles to keep the horses "fresh"..... :rolleyes:

[Mr_G]

From the comments I see from staff people on here – and the fact that they do post here is a big plus – they absolutely do not seem to have a “screw the public, release it anyway” attitude. Which makes it all the more puzzling to me how some of the units that 99% of the people looking at them immediately spot flaws on get released. I really do wonder about what sort of quality control processes they have in place.

I guess it's just normal for fans to be hard critics for the games or topics that they like. ;)

[DicKravitz]

Where did you guys see the image of the Stuka figurine itself?

[fifleche]

now that you mention it, they really do look like they were made to kill the SSPG. Hard charger beats ruthless at any turn.

But I disagree on the 11 SE vs 15 SSPG and my point is this one; those kinds of odds favor the SSPGs on the probability chances of taking killing shots on the SE...Wrong. If you factor in the fact that the SS-Haup is defense 4/4, and needs to be adjacent to remove disruption from the SS-Pgrenadiers, chances are he will die rather quickly. And once those grenadiers stop removing their disruption, it will be a quick fall.

Also, you must consider that the paratroopers will -ALWAYS- be fighting from cover, as they can drop anywhere that strikes their fancy, while the Germans will have to cross open terrain to get to the objective. They can also drop one -behind- the Germans, just to try to kill their officer...