Estimated SNLF Fanatic Stats

[Joisey]

How cool is it that your army has "fanatics" as a major unit category???? :)

Okay, Japanese fanboys, here are Joisey's Estimated Stats:

Cost: 5
Speed: 1
Defense: 5/5
AI: 12/5/-
AV: 2/-/-

Hand to Hand: 16

Samurai: This unit ignores the effects of disruption

Stealth: This unit does not provoke defensive fire from any enemy unit.

Ninja Training: This unit recieves +2 to cover rolls.

Code of Bushido: This unit will NOT accept failure. Reroll any ones rolled on an attack that did not score damage. If the attack still fails, this unit instead eliminates itself (ritual suicide).

NOTE: I'm not saying this unit will get all these SA's, but I'm trying to imagine all the ways that "fanatic" might be modelled.

[Arontje]

eeehhh, are you trying to be serious? Cause this aint right for the cost.

Fanatic, only ignore disrupted not more, and no 12 anti inf, its as if it is a aa unit, lol.

[Stojakovic]

That seems good. I see you have a great imagination still (that not an insult it’s a complement) But I predict hand to hand 14 but hey 16 is good too... or better :rolleyes:

[Pasalades]

Joisey is playing around obviously. I spose we could get serious if you want.

[Stojakovic]

How about...

precision: get +1 on each att. die

[Joisey]

When someone says "He's a fanatic", is the word "precision" really the first thing that comes to mind?

[Stojakovic]

When someone says "He's a fanatic", is the word "precision" really the first thing that comes to mind?

People interpret things in different ways...

[Arontje]

Way too many sa i think, more like this:


Cost: 4
Speed: 1
Defense: 5/5 (or maybe 3 points and then def 4)
AI: 7/5/-
AV: 2/-/-

Hand to Hand: 16

Fanatic: This unit ignores the effects of disruption

This is more like its gonna be. Not to much poohaa. Not very good but it has its uses. Especially in an island assault in the jungle.

[polish_horsy]

hand to hand 16? How many times is he gonna keep chopping at the dead guy? How about we get real here. Hand to hand = 9. You really think his hand to hand is that much more devastating than a cavalry unit?

[Photoner Hawkwind]

Will he put notches on his handle for each plane he chops out of the sky? :D

[Colonel_Coo]

I think that he'll have some sort of must attack the nearest enemy rule or must move towards the closest enemy rule.
Cheaper unit if you place that restriction. Less tactical control but for more offensive firepower close in.
Also
Limited Range 2.

[Hiro]

When someone says "He's a fanatic", is the word "precision" really the first thing that comes to mind?

I think Ice cream, but that's just me.

Hand to hand 12 should be okay, remember kids he has to be able to chop up the SE PTs also.

Fanatic-would work great with the whole Banzai charge

Limited range 1? Is that too short of a range.

3 defense to offset the SA'a

No vehicle attack.

Points. no more than 5.

That's me guess.

[Cruizin2000]

I don't recall reading about this unit. Are we really getting it?

C2000

[polish_horsy]

hand to hand 12? Way too high.

this guy could bring down the toughest plane there is with a hand to hand of 12. Don't ask me how but his sword could just chops planes out of the sky if they get too close.

[Stojakovic]

hand to hand 12? Way too high.

this guy could bring down the toughest plane there is with a hand to hand of 12. Don't ask me how but his sword could just chops planes out of the sky if they get too close.

I thought hand to hand only effects soldiers not vehicles?

[Mr_G]

I thought hand to hand only effects soldiers not vehicles?

Me too... just like close assault only works against vehicles...

There was a misleading awnser by Y2UAsk in the Q&A. It sounded like hand to hand IS possible against aircraft.... but on the cards it only says that it is usable against soldiers....

What gives?

[Danyel Phelps]

According to these stats, the Katana can apparently slice up people 100 yards away. The Katana isn't magic, people..

[Stojakovic]

Me too... just like close assault only works against vehicles...

There was a misleading awnser by Y2UAsk in the Q&A. It sounded like hand to hand IS possible against aircraft.... but on the cards it only says that it is usable against soldiers....

What gives?

I am guessing a misundersstanding. We are all human here :)

[Mr_G]

According to these stats, the Katana can apparently slice up people 100 yards away. The Katana isn't magic, people..

Sure they can. All japanese soldiers are trained in ninja-jump technique and can stop bullets with a sword... and their leader is Chuck Norris ( ;) to Zukhov)

... oh wait, this isn't a cartoon? forget what I said then... :D

[polish_horsy]

a plane is a soldier.

[Mr_G]

a plane is a soldier.

I thought a plane was an aircraft...

[polish_horsy]

an aicraft is a soldier. so is an artillery unit.

[Stojakovic]

When I asked if the mortar ability would work on a plane to Y2Uask he said it does not work. And the ability only works on soldiers.

[Kommandant]

a plane is a soldier.

what are you talking about? :confused:

[Mr_G]

artillery cards say:
"Soldier - Artillery"

while plane cards say:
"Aircraft"

[Stojakovic]

http://img436.imageshack.us/img436/1254/25911zh.gif ... all I have to say...

[johnnyonthespot]

an aicraft is a soldier. so is an artillery unit.

No, a unit's attack against airplanes comes from the chart in the upper right corner of the stat cards, and units suffer a -1 penalty on each attack die.

Modifiers such as Hand-to-Hand 12 don't apply (in my interpretation), since this SA clearly states "soldiers" and does not include the word "airplanes".

[johnnyonthespot]

WHERE THE HECK ARE PEOPLE FINDING THIS INFO ON SNLF FANATICS AND SS STORMTROOPERS?????????

Could someone PLEASE post a link?

[Kommandant]

WHERE THE HECK ARE PEOPLE FINDING THIS INFO ON SNLF FANATICS AND SS STORMTROOPERS?????????

Could someone PLEASE post a link?

it's on the second page
it called something like 3 new units or something like that :D

[johnnyonthespot]

it's on the second page
it called something like 3 new units or something like that :D

Thank you very much. I have been looking for this for quite a while... and it was just staring me in the face.

[Kommandant]

Thank you very much. I have been looking for this for quite a while... and it was just staring me in the face.

no problem :D

polish_horsy:
where did you get that aircraft are infantry?

[polish_horsy]

I only meant that you fire at them with infantry numbers. There is nothing in the rules that says hand-to-hand does not include aircraft. So I meant to say that if you give hand to hand of 12 to some guy with a sword don't plan on flying a plane over his head or he'll chop it to pieces.

[Stojakovic]

I only meant that you fire at them with infantry numbers. There is nothing in the rules that says hand-to-hand does not include aircraft. So I meant to say that if you give hand to hand of 12 to some guy with a sword don't plan on flying a plane over his head or he'll chop it to pieces.

if this is the case I say le queer. more than the flamethrower.

[polish_horsy]

he jumps real high.

[Stojakovic]

he jumps real high.

......... I know your joking but if a plane came near me/ shooting at me I would pee my pants... and dive to the ground... I am man enough to admit it ;)

[Kommandant]

polish horsy:
no you can only attack aircraft with the number
on the upper right :D :p

and hand to hand is only applied against soldiers
like it says on the text of hand to hand.
and if you notice every infantry men has the title
soldier, as well as the artillery units
but the aircraft doesn't have that title :D

[polish_horsy]

then how come when I asked on the Q&A board I was told the rules do not say that hand-to-hand does not apply to aircraft.

[Mr_G]

then how come when I asked on the Q&A board I was told the rules do not say that hand-to-hand does not apply to aircraft.

the awnser was a little misleading IMO.

EDIT: I think that Y2UAsk meant that it is not written in the rules per se, but it IS written on the cards...

[Stojakovic]

then how come when I asked on the Q&A board I was told the rules do not say that hand-to-hand does not apply to aircraft.

But he told me that the mortars ability does not work on planes. And the ability works on soldiers only...

[polish_horsy]

well then that is semantics. so I believe you are saying that if I ask him if h2h works on planes he'll say no. but if I ask him if there is anything in the rules against using h2h against planes he'll also say no.

[Stojakovic]

well then that is semantics. so I believe you are saying that if I ask him if h2h works on planes he'll say no. but if I ask him if there is anything in the rules against using h2h against planes he'll also say no.

The point is that I am concluding that a plane does not count as a soldier after what Y2Uask told me... But that is MO...

[Kommandant]

well then that is semantics. so I believe you are saying that if I ask him if h2h works on planes he'll say no. but if I ask him if there is anything in the rules against using h2h against planes he'll also say no.

your right it doesn't say it in the rules

but it does say it on the card
This unit has an attack value of 12 against Soldiers in its hex :D

this text is taken from the arisaka

[Colonel_Coo]

an aicraft is a soldier. so is an artillery unit.
No it is not.
An aircraft is an AIRCRAFT. Read the card. See where it says AIRCRAFT.

Now look at a SOLDIER. Read the card. See where it says SOLDIER.

Now look at the artillary. Read the card. See where it says SODLIER-Artilliery.

Amazing!

[greyfox]

I think that with this unit, WOTC is saying what they mean--the SNLF Fanatic will have the Fanatic SA--he will ignore face up disruption markers and continue his Banzai charge in spite of defensive fire. His sword implies a marked preference for Hand-to-Hand combat, so that will be elevated, although values over 12 are overkill. And his other firepower ratings will be rather low, to reduce the cost.

So my guess is:

Cost: 3
Move: 1
Defense: 4
A/I: 6/4/-
A/V 2/-/-

Hand-to-Hand: 12
Fanatic: This unit ignores face up Disruption markers.

If they really wanted to improve Japanese playbility in tournament formats, they might have increased the cost slightly and given him a good Close Assault value. Or how about Intimidation to account for the psychological effect of a group madmen charging you with large edged weapons? (There was a long, and sometimes intense discussion on the relative merits of the various edged weapons on another thread--please don't restart that here, and get this thread shut down too.)

[fifleche]

SNLF Fanatic

Cost 3
Move 1
Def 4/4
AI 0/0/0
AT 0/0/0
Fanatic: This unit ignores disruption markers
Hand-to-Hand 10
Suicide Assault 10: As Close assault, but remove this unit immediately after you make your suicide assault roll, whatever the result.

[Kommandant]

SNLF Fanatic

Cost 3
Move 1
Def 4/4
AI 0/0/0
AT 0/0/0
Fanatic: This unit ignores disruption markers
Hand-to-Hand 10
Suicide Assault 10: As Close assault, but remove this unit immediately after you make your suicide assault roll, whatever the result.

ooh i like that
especially the suicide assault

imaging using that with the Banzai Charge :D, no tank will survive :p :cool:

[Kommandant]

now for my prediction :D

SNLF Fanatic

Cost: 5
Move: 1
Def.: 5/5
AI: 8/0/0
AT: 2/0/0

Fanatic: this unit ignores face up disruption
Suicide Assault 10: As Close assault(but also against infantry), but remove this unit immediately after you make your suicide assault roll, whatever the result.

if anyone hasn't noticed i took the suicide assault from fifleche :D
but added that it can also be used against inf.

[Stojakovic]

Well its official. Hand to hand does not work on planes. He said he just had a brain fart... we are all human.

[Autarch]

Aw, I was hoping he could chop up planes like Goemon.

I think he'll have an infiltration SA and can appear teletrooper like but inside a hex with enemy units.

[Stojakovic]

Aw, I was hoping he could chop up planes like Goemon.

I think he'll have an infiltration SA and can appear teletrooper like but inside a hex with enemy units.

I love sarcasm :)