Scenario CP-1: Island Fortress Betio

WotC Bob · 01-31-2007, 07:34 PM

Discussion thread for Scenario CP-1: Island Fortress Betio, and the new maps to go along with them. Please note: I went to great lengths to make sure these print out at the same scale as the stock maps, so please let me know if you are having any problems in that regard.

horacus · 01-31-2007, 07:36 PM

I don't see in the site the scenario. It is already up???

WotC Bob · 01-31-2007, 07:38 PM

It is now. I make the thread first so I can link to it in the article.

Khayman7 · 01-31-2007, 07:49 PM

nice, very nice

Lynx7725 · 01-31-2007, 07:57 PM

Hmmm, Beito. Considering that it's a tiny tiny strip of coral about 500m across, the death toll to take it is considerate; 6000 men died in total, from both sides. That's quite a messy situation.

Beito is really a major test of US amphibious operations. A lot of things didn't go right then, and a lot of lessons were learnt; in a sense, Beito saved a lot of lives later, by getting rid of practices that didn't work, and by highlighting what kinds of oppositions/ obstacles can be expected.

Oddly, it seems that the US Marines' experiences in the Pacific weren't really shared with the US Army in Europe; thankfully, the Normandy beaches weren't as extensively fortified, or as fanatically defended. It might have been a wee bit more painful had things been different.

horacus · 01-31-2007, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WotC Bob

It is now. I make the thread first so I can link to it in the article.

Yes, now I see it. Great work in the maps. It seems a very good scenario to play.

oddfellow · 01-31-2007, 09:19 PM

The maps are great & scenario looks like it will be fun... can't wait to play this one.

Predator666 · 01-31-2007, 09:33 PM

Looks great. The Japanese will have to be ready to hit anywhere with a fierce counter attack given they have to defend it all. The maps look amazing though. I would love to own some but I can't print them out.

kurtgish · 01-31-2007, 10:38 PM

I like the scenario, and like the ability to choose certain British units, basically as surrogates for historical U.S. units. However, the way I read the scenario, all British tanks are available, including the Churchill Crocodile. This would be a great unit for the Allies, and very difficult for the Japanese to counter.

My question to those more studied in their history than I, is: did the Americans actually use any heavy armor during assaults in the Pacific, which could be somewhat represented by the 7/6 defense Crocodile?

Even if an American general were to field 4 Crocs, the Americans will still find a bitter fight, with all of the Japanese units entrenched, and any Allied tanks unable to fight until they exit the water.

Great job on this scenario!!

Lynx7725 · 01-31-2007, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kurtgish

My question to those more studied in their history than I, is: did the Americans actually use any heavy armor during assaults in the Pacific, which could be somewhat represented by the 7/6 defense Crocodile?

Not really. Most of the fighting on the Pacific fighting were by infantry. M4 Shermans and M3/ M5 Stuarts were present in some engagements, but they are typically used for support (as is the LVT/ "Amtrack"), rather than tank engagements. The terrain simply didn't really favour tank battles.

I heard a rumour that Perishings were deployed into the Pacific late in the war, but never saw any photographic evidence to support this rumour.

01-31-2007, 07:34 PM	#1
WotC Bob Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 655	Scenario CP-1: Island Fortress Betio Discussion thread for Scenario CP-1: Island Fortress Betio, and the new maps to go along with them. Please note: I went to great lengths to make sure these print out at the same scale as the stock maps, so please let me know if you are having any problems in that regard. __________________ Robert Mull Online Producer Avalon Hill/Axis & Allies Wizards Books

01-31-2007, 07:36 PM	#2
horacus General of the 3rd Army. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Cuernavaca, Morelos, Mexico, at 30 minutes of mexico City. Posts: 3,060	I don't see in the site the scenario. It is already up??? __________________ "If the war is lost, I don't care if my people suffers. I won't share a tear for them. They didn't deserve somthing better."Adolf Hittler. Set 1 48/48 Set 2 45/45 Set 3 45/45 Set 4 44/45-missing Spitfire... Set 5 45/45 227/228-99.56%

01-31-2007, 07:38 PM	#3
WotC Bob Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 655	It is now. I make the thread first so I can link to it in the article. __________________ Robert Mull Online Producer Avalon Hill/Axis & Allies Wizards Books

01-31-2007, 07:49 PM	#4
Khayman7 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Boredom Posts: 754	nice, very nice __________________ "All of this has happened before and all of this will happen again." -The Book Of Pythia GTL: +11

01-31-2007, 07:57 PM	#5
Lynx7725 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,407	Hmmm, Beito. Considering that it's a tiny tiny strip of coral about 500m across, the death toll to take it is considerate; 6000 men died in total, from both sides. That's quite a messy situation. Beito is really a major test of US amphibious operations. A lot of things didn't go right then, and a lot of lessons were learnt; in a sense, Beito saved a lot of lives later, by getting rid of practices that didn't work, and by highlighting what kinds of oppositions/ obstacles can be expected. Oddly, it seems that the US Marines' experiences in the Pacific weren't really shared with the US Army in Europe; thankfully, the Normandy beaches weren't as extensively fortified, or as fanatically defended. It might have been a wee bit more painful had things been different. __________________ Current Opinion of AAM =

01-31-2007, 09:19 PM	#7
oddfellow St. Cloud, Minnesota. USA Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 642	The maps are great & scenario looks like it will be fun... can't wait to play this one.

01-31-2007, 09:33 PM	#8
Predator666 Red Soldier Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Kansas Posts: 3,138	Looks great. The Japanese will have to be ready to hit anywhere with a fierce counter attack given they have to defend it all. The maps look amazing though. I would love to own some but I can't print them out. __________________ Red Vs Blue Quotes "Don't leave me with the horrible Doctor"---Caboose "Shut Up Caboose"-----Doc "Now he's cursing at me"-----Caboose "Hey Chicka Bonk Bonk."----Caboose Banzai Charge Kills x4 Marines SS-Haupsturmfurher Grizzled Vet. Screaming Eagle Captain Screaming Eagle Paratrooper Banzai Losses x4 Arisaka SNLF Fanatic

01-31-2007, 10:38 PM	#9
kurtgish Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Piedmont, CA Posts: 58	I like the scenario, and like the ability to choose certain British units, basically as surrogates for historical U.S. units. However, the way I read the scenario, all British tanks are available, including the Churchill Crocodile. This would be a great unit for the Allies, and very difficult for the Japanese to counter. My question to those more studied in their history than I, is: did the Americans actually use any heavy armor during assaults in the Pacific, which could be somewhat represented by the 7/6 defense Crocodile? Even if an American general were to field 4 Crocs, the Americans will still find a bitter fight, with all of the Japanese units entrenched, and any Allied tanks unable to fight until they exit the water. Great job on this scenario!! __________________ Kurt Gish Base Set: 48/48, Set II: 45/45, Contested Skies: 45/45, D-Day: 45/45, Reserves: 45/45. Total Axis & Allies Miniatures unit count: 986 pieces (10,044 points) (Allies: 532 units, Axis: 409 units, Obstacles: 31 units, Support: 14 units) Info on a fan-published, hardcover guidebook covering all 228 units is in my profile .

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