#28 - Demon-control & Kick 'em while they're down?

them · 05-29-2005, 09:22 AM

Several questions came up while playing Scenario #28, Solomon's Ring (there may be spoilers here, be warned).

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A. One player had used the ring to successfully attack and then control one of the demons. She then passed off the ring to another player. The rules say you lose control of the demon if you lose the ring. Does giving the ring away count as losing it? We ruled she lost control of the demon, and that it reverted back to being a regular demon (although some of us thought control of the demon should go with the ring to the new ring owner).
Did we play this right?

B. The errata states that you can attack a monster that is stunned, but there would be no additional effect - "a monster can't be stunned more".
In this scenario, the question is very relevant, as the heroes win the game by successfully attacking the Demon Lord twice - so the heroes may not care whether the monster can be stunned more; they only care about getting in two successful attacks in (while wearing the ring).
Here's the question: Can a stunned monster defend itself (roll dice)?
We ruled no as that seemed the most common sense answer, but worried we might not have gotten it right - and it was a crucial matter.

C. Defending yourself does NOT count as an attack for purposes of gaining victory conditions/successful attacks (while holding the ring) vs the Demon Lord, right?

Example illustrating questons B & C:
The Demon Lord attacks the character with the ring and (surprisingly) is bested and stunned. This does NOT count as one of the Win-Conditions attacks. On players turn, they attack the stunned Demon Lord and automatically are successful under the reasoning a stunned creature can't defend itself - this DOES count as one of the Win-Condition attacks.
Correct or not?

Marmoset · 06-01-2005, 03:08 PM

My 2 cents.

A. I would agree that this was played correctly. passing off the ring to another player counts as losing it in my book.

B. I would argue that you did this incorrectly. The rules indicate that a stunned monster loses its next turn and that it can't slow an explorers movement. It says nothing about losing its ability to defend itself.

C. The way I read the scenario, It states the Demon lord must be defeated twice while you have the ring. If the Demon Lord attacks a hero holding the ring and is defeated, that counts as one defeat.

Nagypapi · 06-15-2005, 05:55 AM

I sense some disturbance here. Unsuccessful attacks doesn't count as a defeat for the attacker. So if the Demon King attacks a hero with the ring and doesn't succeed he doesn't become stunned and defeated.

jetzach · 06-18-2005, 12:09 AM

Wait, did the book actually give you Demon Lord stats? Our book didn't mention his stats at all, and we had to improvise.

What gives?

Nagypapi · 06-20-2005, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jetzach

Wait, did the book actually give you Demon Lord stats? Our book didn't mention his stats at all, and we had to improvise.

What gives?

The errata has the stats: Speed 1, Might 7, Sanity 7

Boris317 · 07-15-2005, 08:25 PM

I have a question. In the suviors guide it states that the haunt revealer is the traitor. In this case that would mean that the traitor starts with the ring. It in no way states in the Suvivors guide how one would aquire the ring from the demon?

Nytmare · 07-20-2005, 07:54 PM

It's in the errata

The traitor should not be the discoverer. Change the traitor to "Highest knowledge not discoverer."

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x...s/hoth#solomon

05-29-2005, 09:22 AM	#1
them Dis Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Bugtown Posts: 5	#28 - Demon-control & Kick 'em while they're down? Several questions came up while playing Scenario #28, Solomon's Ring (there may be spoilers here, be warned). ============== A. One player had used the ring to successfully attack and then control one of the demons. She then passed off the ring to another player. The rules say you lose control of the demon if you lose the ring. Does giving the ring away count as losing it? We ruled she lost control of the demon, and that it reverted back to being a regular demon (although some of us thought control of the demon should go with the ring to the new ring owner). Did we play this right? B. The errata states that you can attack a monster that is stunned, but there would be no additional effect - "a monster can't be stunned more". In this scenario, the question is very relevant, as the heroes win the game by successfully attacking the Demon Lord twice - so the heroes may not care whether the monster can be stunned more; they only care about getting in two successful attacks in (while wearing the ring). Here's the question: Can a stunned monster defend itself (roll dice)? We ruled no as that seemed the most common sense answer, but worried we might not have gotten it right - and it was a crucial matter. C. Defending yourself does NOT count as an attack for purposes of gaining victory conditions/successful attacks (while holding the ring) vs the Demon Lord, right? Example illustrating questons B & C: The Demon Lord attacks the character with the ring and (surprisingly) is bested and stunned. This does NOT count as one of the Win-Conditions attacks. On players turn, they attack the stunned Demon Lord and automatically are successful under the reasoning a stunned creature can't defend itself - this DOES count as one of the Win-Condition attacks. Correct or not?

06-18-2005, 12:09 AM	#4
jetzach Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 3	um...? Wait, did the book actually give you Demon Lord stats? Our book didn't mention his stats at all, and we had to improvise. What gives?

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06-01-2005, 03:08 PM	#2
Marmoset Junior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4	My 2 cents. A. I would agree that this was played correctly. passing off the ring to another player counts as losing it in my book. B. I would argue that you did this incorrectly. The rules indicate that a stunned monster loses its next turn and that it can't slow an explorers movement. It says nothing about losing its ability to defend itself. C. The way I read the scenario, It states the Demon lord must be defeated twice while you have the ring. If the Demon Lord attacks a hero holding the ring and is defeated, that counts as one defeat.

06-15-2005, 05:55 AM	#3
Nagypapi Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 13	I sense some disturbance here. Unsuccessful attacks doesn't count as a defeat for the attacker. So if the Demon King attacks a hero with the ring and doesn't succeed he doesn't become stunned and defeated.

07-15-2005, 08:25 PM	#6
Boris317 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 2	I have a question. In the suviors guide it states that the haunt revealer is the traitor. In this case that would mean that the traitor starts with the ring. It in no way states in the Suvivors guide how one would aquire the ring from the demon?

07-20-2005, 07:54 PM	#7
Nytmare Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, PA, USA, Earth Posts: 6	It's in the errata The traitor should not be the discoverer. Change the traitor to "Highest knowledge not discoverer." http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x...s/hoth#solomon